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1/2 - Bad luck or bad play? 1/2 - Bad luck or bad play?

12-13-2013 , 06:20 AM
Have a couple hands from my recent 1/2 session I want to get feedback on.

Hand 1 - Just sat down at the table, first hand I decided to play starting with a $200 stack. 2 players from MP limp, Hero wakes up with KK on the BTN, makes it 14. Get called by two limpers.

Flop: 2 3 6 rainbow.

Checked to hero who bets 22, one of the limpers thinks for a few seconds before raising to 62. Hero has heard table talk that this guy is an aggro player. He obviously will play sets like this, but also perhaps weaker overpairs like 77-JJ. Because I didn't want bad cards to come OTT to shut him down from continuing with weaker overpairs, hero jams. Thoughts?

Hand 2 - Hero just doubled up after a bluff gone bad. The guy who doubled Hero up said "I'll get you back bro." In that previous hand, Hero opened with QJ from early position for 11 and gets only villain to call from SB. Flop: KQ5. Villain checks and hero checks. Turn comes another K and Villain then overbets to put Hero all-in. Hero calls and wins with QJ, while villain bluff shoved with AT.

Now to the hand in question. Hero is sitting on $100. Very next hand, Hero has AA from early-mid position, opens to 10. BTN calls and Villain from previous hand calls from BB.

Flop: QQT

Checked to Hero who bets 15. BTN folds, BB villain who doubled me up the previous hand also calls.

Turn: K

Villain thinks before openjamming turn. I expected him to turn up with a lot of pair + straight draw combos in this spot, especially KJ, TJ so Hero calls with AA and loses to villain's flopped trips (he had Q7).

Sorry my posts aren't as clear as they should be. I'm super exhausted atm. Anyways, were the two hands in question bad play or bad luck? Should I have done anything different?

Last edited by mattgood9; 12-13-2013 at 06:27 AM.
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12-13-2013 , 10:07 AM
Hand 1 is fine without any read on V other than aggro.

Hand 2 I would bet the flop. Turn is a pretty sick soul read.

Hand 3 How do you double up and have 100? Considering the nearly exact action I would probably find a fold. V knows you are going to call. He knows you are married to 1 pair hands. Despite the odds I think you can find a fold here.
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12-13-2013 , 10:48 AM
Hand 1: I hate this situation with no real read on villain at all. I'm just making a superficial read at the table and going with it, either fold or shove. Which is correct is pure guess work. At 1/2 I don't put any weight on table talk unless I know the person doing the talking has some clue, good value betting often strikes passive 1/2 fish as aggro.

Hand 2: Bet flop. Turn is generally a fold, but the over bet is rather odd and with a short stack bluff catching isn't terrible.

Hand 3: Another pure guesswork situation. Play is consistent with turning a draw when slightly tilted or having the nuts and playing to suck hero in. I'm more inclined to fold here though, if villain does have the queen or already hit a straight then hero is drawing very thin, if villain is behind they probably have a bunch of outs. Plus, previous hand suggested hero is a bit stationary, so villain should be bluffing less.
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12-13-2013 , 10:49 AM
V knows u call light, u should know he has u beat in hand 3...Just think what he's thinking

Hand 1, good call, none of his value range will make such an overbet

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12-13-2013 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by cxy123
Hand 3 How do you double up and have 100? Considering the nearly exact action I would probably find a fold. V knows you are going to call. He knows you are married to 1 pair hands. Despite the odds I think you can find a fold here.
The hand before I bluff-raised river, which blew up in my face. Leaving me with 50. I doubled up to 100 becasue the dealer started the new hand before I could rebuy.
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12-13-2013 , 11:00 AM
NOTE: Villain was the same in Hands 2 and 3, NOT the same as in Hand 1.
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12-13-2013 , 10:15 PM
Hand 1: Open for more, 20 at least. Fold the flop, you let in a set miner.
Hand 2: Same as hand 1. Fold the turn.
Hand 3: Same as hand 1. Fold the turn.

For the love of god make stronger PF bets. Especially against an habitual bluffdonk.
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12-13-2013 , 10:20 PM
grunch: All misplayed pretty badly IMO.

Bad luck that you got outflopped.

Bad play that you lost the maximum.
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12-13-2013 , 11:00 PM
First hand:
Bad push because:
1) If you know he's an aggressive player, why did he not raise preflop then? All those hands you think you can beat (77 - QQ) would not have been limped by an aggro player.
2) When you push, you will only get called by a hand that beat you. You clearly represent a big overpair there, and as the board is rainbow, it takes a really spewy player to call off with 77+ there.

You have position, so call and re-eval on turn
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12-13-2013 , 11:10 PM
Hand 2:

First of all, why are you opening 11 with QJ EP with $50 behind, and AA for $10 with $100 behind?
Never mind the QJ hand.
AA hand you raise too little pf, and let in a "revenge" call. You are pretty much looking to gii. Take your stack into consideration, you have no FE with AA and a short stack, and your opponent will have no FE either.
Part of it is bad luck/fishy Vs though. I've had people calling $12 pf with 83o because they wanted to "catch me in a hand", and they flopped 2p while I flopped tp.
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12-14-2013 , 12:09 AM
Grunch

Hand 1 - tough flop decision without a read. I would tend to lean towards calling down given table talk, thinking it's most likely V is overplaying A6 or a pocket pair beating the board vs a set, although the set is a real possibility. V almost certainly doesn't AA, and with the tendency for players to overplay one pair, I think I'd buckle up and give him enough rope to hang himself. In my game, on a board like this, a set typically waits until the turn to come alive. Definitely wouldn't try to fold out a pocket pair that I'm ahead of, and that he will keep leading with.

Hand 2 - I'm not a huge fan of opening QJ in early position, so IMO I'd limp if I felt I truly could get to see the flop for a limp, or fold pre if it's likely I'll have to call a raise behind to see the flop.

Hand 3 - I'd do the same up until the Turn - V jams into a paired board that smacks most of the range that will call your pre-flop raise. Tough to fold thos pocket rockets, but given the smooth call and then he comes to life on the turn, AA is no good in this hand.

Hope this helps.

Last edited by River G; 12-14-2013 at 12:16 AM. Reason: more complete response
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12-14-2013 , 12:18 AM
1. You weren't getting better hands to fold and you weren't getting much worse hands to call I think.
2. You got lucky he is just worse then you.
3. You overplay a big pair and lost the most.
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