V1 is a fish mid 20s white man. He bought in for 200 and have a 700 stack. (Doubled up from 300 with QJo on T98, and won couple pots after that). Way too loose preflop. He has no more money after his initial buyin ao hes playing kind of scared money postflop. He has a fold button. (he kept talking and saying like im gonna go soon but I want to go to 1000)

H has a winning image (450 stack). 24 whit man. I dont think my image really matters to V but I was kinda TAG. Won pot at showdown when I had it.

V2 (140) late 20s white man is in vacation and drinking beer. Ordering 2 at a time.

OTTH:

Hero UTG limps with 4️5️. Pretty confident with my postflop play at this table and people are calling a lot pre so I dont want to bloat the pot... and theres a reg LP who 3b me twice in last hour and I folded both times
V1 LP raises to $10. V2 in SB calls. Hero calls.

Flop ($28, 3 players) Q️J️T️
V2 checks, H checks, V1 bets $15, V2 calls, Hero raises to $55, V1 calls, V2 shoves for $125 (reopen the action - we can raise), Hero ?

380 behind, 220 in the pot, V1 covers

I don’t even feel like typing fold pre.

The irony of this OP is staggering.

Yeah this is not remotely close. If you play these sort of hands loosely, you really want to be raising with them.

Small-mid suited connectors might be the most misunderstood hands in NLHE. People think they're hands where you can take flops multiway and try to hit hands. In reality, the playing strength is best used as a backup to aggression and works best in shorthanded pots where if we hit a hand, it probably won't be dominated. Multiway, virtually every flop (excluding A23, 236, 367) presents us with the opportunity to make a second best hand. Flops like 678, 44x, 45x and QJThhh all provide us with exciting opportunities to put a lot of money in drawing dead. I'm not saying don't play the hand for a limp 6 ways OTB, but you have to be careful as hell with it postflop. Playing it UTG is suicide.

Thanks for the explanation !

I really misplayed this hand lol from start to finish... still learning.

I shoved_lol V1 folded AK.
V2 has A7

When I think about it I more and more think it was an aweful shove. I get nothing that I beat to call. In fact, AK no heart was probably the best hand he couldve had and still folded... I think im better to call the 120 to get V1 to call. Bet turn on non heart to shove river on non heart and just x/f a heart on turn...

/thread

Shove is fine. You don't want V1 to come along easily just because you weren't vulnerable to his hand in this instance. It isn't an amazing spot because every other possible flush beats you and the SPR is high, but it's what you signed up for. The presence of a str8 flush draw makes it better since Kh and maybe 9h will overplay.

Preflop discussion may now continue.

While I don't agree with all the above, I do with the bolded. Just not the place to give this a go. Late position is where we make almost all of our $$ in LSNLHE, and a good portion of that profit has nothing to do with our relative hand strength (assuming we play well postflop and have decent reads on our opponents).

AP I despise your shove regardless of the result. In fact, I likely would have folded to the $120 (but I would not have called the orginal raise so...).

UTG I would raise or fold pre

as played I would have called the $125 to see if other V comes along.

after all if we can't take a little heat when flopping a flush with this then you gotta ask yourself : WHY did I play it out of position to begin with?