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12-30-2017 , 11:27 PM
Saturday night, tables just opened. This is probably the 8th hand, no regs.

Hero has AcAs in CO, with $250 stack. All Vs have $250-$300 behind.

Limp/limp/limp Hero raises to $15... 5 players see the flop.

Flop 6h8sQh... V1 leads $20/call/call hero?

Once we call there's going to be $155 in the pot and we'll have $215 behind. We're obviously raising but how much? Do we just shove?
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12-30-2017 , 11:42 PM
$100, cram all turns.
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12-30-2017 , 11:43 PM
Shoving is on the table but we generally don't get action from worse / gii bad when we do. Might still be an ok option.
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12-31-2017 , 12:35 AM
With 4 people in the hand, this is not a spot where we want to commit 125bb. If all the chips go in, there is a good chance we'll be up against a set or two pair.

Call and play a turn. If we're up against QJ or KQ, we'll probably still be good on the turn.

We have a hand that can withstand around two streets of value. Hopefully we have the best hand in which case the action is likely to slow down on the turn or river.

Last edited by Nogyong; 12-31-2017 at 12:43 AM.
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12-31-2017 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Nogyong
With 4 people in the hand, this is not a spot where we want to commit 125bb. If all the chips go in, there is a good chance we'll be up against a set or two pair.

Call and play some post-flop poker.

We have a hand that can withstand around two streets of value. Hopefully we have the best hand in which case the action is likely to slow down on the turn or river.
Play some post flop poker?
Hand that can withstand 2 streets of value?

Care to explain what you're saying here as it seems like you're just throwing out buzz words.
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12-31-2017 , 12:58 AM
So V1 bet 1/4 pot and got two callers. Callers probably don't have much and there's a good chance V1 also doesn't have much. QQ and 88 likely raise so you're only behind Q8s/66 which is still unlikely given action. If anyone's limping QQ/88 or calling $15 with Q8o and playing it like this on the flop then don't worry the money is coming back quickly.

I would make it $60 - $75 and shove the turn. Your hand is way too strong to let a 1/4 pot bet go unpunished, yet you want hands like draws and weak Qx to stay in. I'm also raising so that the SPR on the turn is less than 1 and it's easier to get it in.

EDIT: just realized there's two cold callers pre. Still doesn't change much imo, especially if one or both of them have put in just $20 on the flop.
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01-02-2018 , 11:35 AM
I might just flat here as well and see what the turn brings. I don't think we are good often enough in this spot to risk our stack (with only one caller I think a raise makes more sense). Some in this forum over-value AA in multi-way pots...it is still only 1 pair and the larger the field is, the less likely it is good.
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01-02-2018 , 03:11 PM
No one else raised or 3b pre. The flop lead was very small, but into a lot of people. The flop has some draws around the hearts and the 68.

I doubt a super strong hand is leading small here and I think each successive caller is less and less likely to have something better than TP. I'm expecting to be up against something like a Q with a modest kicker and some draws.

The Q is likely to fold to a raise, though we'd like to keep it in. The draws have significant equity and we really don't want to give the a cheap turn card.

There's a chance someone is sandbagging with a set or 2P.

All in all, I think there are enough people in the hand that charging a likely draw is more important than stringing a Q along or protecting from the (unlikely) monsters.

But we don't want to blow the draws out of the pot, just make them unprofitable. There's 370 to be won from us and the pot. We should raise as much as we think a draw will call, but not less than 90 (1/4 the amount to win). 90 on top of the 20 would be 110. I'd likely make it 120.

Default is to cram the turn. If the flush or a straight gets there and someone gets all frisky, we might have to make a read, but we can call it off if need be knowing that the overall line was profitable, even if we stack off.

If someone comes over the top, we're not loving life and we'll have to make a read.
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01-02-2018 , 03:20 PM
Agree with LordRiverRat and Case2. Raise the turn enough to charge and still get called by worse. So many bad players at this level are never folding AQ/KQ/QJ here, and that small lead is just setting a small price to see a turn. Shove turn unless it's a Q and maybe a heart -- depends on action and feel of other players.
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