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1/2 awful river vs extreme LAG 1/2 awful river vs extreme LAG

05-06-2019 , 11:06 PM
1/2, hour into session, $250 effective. Hero has never played with villain, but it's very clear he's an extreme LAG with a huge ego. Hero has a very aggressive image, and mildly tight.

OTTH

Loose passive straddles OTB $5 , hero has K Q and raises to $20 and villain in CO and BTN call.

Flop ($62): Q 7 5. Hero bets $35, villain calls and BTN folds.

Turn ($132): 6. Hero bets $65 and villain calls.

River ($260): A. Hero checks and villain shoves for $130. Disgusting. We probably just have to fold here right because every combo of Ad Xd just got there + A7, A5, Ad6d, 76, 65, and 75 all beat us and those all seem likely to be in his range. Idk, I was calling the shove for any nom diamond, non A river.
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05-06-2019 , 11:37 PM
Generally we need to raise bigger pre vs BTN straddles, so i'd make it at least 25.
Also, if possible don't play in games that allow BTN straddles, they are terrible for the game.

Flop is fine.

Turn is too small. We have basically given him odds to correctly call with all draws. 7x and 5x should fold no matter what sizing we use, so might as well get more value vs Qx and draws.

River: Getting 3:1 and if he's really as wide as you say, he also has all non-A high FD's as well as 64,86,87 and 54. Can't fold vs this player type.
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05-06-2019 , 11:42 PM
can you win 25% of the time? not sure. what do we beat. qj? jdtd, jd9d. not much else.

I probably reluctantly fold
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05-07-2019 , 01:12 AM
x/jam turn vs a "extreme LAG with huge ego" or jam. ott you should probably just x or overbet shove, betting this small and giving him good odds and leaving < 1/2 psb left otr makes no sense. Tho if you want to overbet shove turns flop should be bigger (actually, flop should be bigger regardless, it's too small)

ap river is bleh, think it's close given the price. dont think either would be a huge error, tho i might lean towards a call. we can easily sigh fold other hands like KQ with a diamond, QJdd/Q10dd if you dbl barrel those hands (you probably shouldn't but that's a different discussion).

Last edited by Minatorr; 05-07-2019 at 01:18 AM.
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05-07-2019 , 02:28 AM
Let the extreme lag do the betting and check turn
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05-07-2019 , 02:40 AM
Yeah I like a x/jam turn against a super LAG. Float flop IP and attack tight players checking the turn is LAG 101 so I’d expect him to fire 90% of the time here and then call it off because of pot odds.
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05-07-2019 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
can you win 25% of the time? not sure. what do we beat. qj? jdtd, jd9d. not much else.

I probably reluctantly fold
What??

He's never turning QJ into a bluff -- too much showdown value.

For bluffs we beat KJ-K8dd, JT-J8dd,T9dd,Td8d,87s,86s,64s,54s ... that's 21 combos of bluffs - 2 combos of OESFD that raise flop = 19 combos of bluffs.

I don't think we can list 57 combos of value he shows up with in this spot, so it should be a pretty easy call.

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05-07-2019 , 07:01 AM
I probably call against described villain
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05-07-2019 , 08:04 AM
If he has at least 1 bluff for every 3 value shoves, it's call. We don't block any FD, 2-pr+ raising prior to river given V descript, so I'd lean towards a call.

Turn - larger for value.
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05-07-2019 , 11:36 AM
The A is a scare card for Hero. V probably knows that, so he should be bluffing THIS card, especially if V bricked his flush draw or straight draw. It would suck if V had Ax of diamonds and he bricked the flush but rivered the best hand.

Against this type of player, I think you have to call getting 3-1.
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05-07-2019 , 06:07 PM
You live, you learn. I suppose I didn't have to make this thread and could've just used Hold 'em lab, where it confirms a mistake was made.

Anyways, I fold, he throws 85o down yells "don't **** with me, don't play pots with me because I'll just outplay you again and again, bud," then cashes out. Ugh. I heard he's a reg though, so I'll make a gold mine off of him and turn the blade on him next time we play a bigger pot and I win.
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05-07-2019 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
You live, you learn. I suppose I didn't have to make this thread and could've just used Hold 'em lab, where it confirms a mistake was made.

Anyways, I fold, he throws 85o down yells "don't **** with me, don't play pots with me because I'll just outplay you again and again, bud," then cashes out. Ugh. I heard he's a reg though, so I'll make a gold mine off of him and turn the blade on him next time we play a bigger pot and I win.
Actually only an actor you paid yourself could do a better job of helping your image. All these theatrics will inspire other wise asses to bluff at you, so the dividends will be significant even beyond this V.

Hang in there. Only the turn might have been a minor mistake as other itt observed above.
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05-07-2019 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
Anyways, I fold, he throws 85o down yells "don't **** with me, don't play pots with me because I'll just outplay you again and again, bud,"
Lol that is awesome. Like a boss!

Edit: should have included "and then cashed out", the funniest part.

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05-07-2019 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
Lol that is awesome. Like a boss!
I found it trashy
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05-07-2019 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
I found it trashy
Yes, it obviously is and I would definitely look for a chance to slowroll his ass in the future.
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05-07-2019 , 08:07 PM
What a dick. Definitely inviting a slowroll.
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05-07-2019 , 08:19 PM
Call. Only need to be good 25% of the time and if he’s aggro he probably raises an A-hi flush draw earlier in the hand.
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05-08-2019 , 02:07 AM
Pot the flop and shove the turn. As played call. 2p shoves turn so what’s he supposed to have here?
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