hero been playing solid, tag image, was just double up few hands ago
villain mid age European, been playing very loose and tricky, saw him call down and show down wide range of hand mostly suited gapper and low card. he got position on me(left +1)

we both deep, 250bb+

fold to hero with AcTc(HJ) R to 12
villain(BTN) 3B to 28, both blind fold

even out of position, I have a hand that can flop big and we both deep, against his wide range, I can see the flop and go from there, I call

FLOP: Td Ks 7d
hero check, he check behind.
trun: 9s
hero check again, and he start betting 28, such a small bet, against his wide range, my hand should be good most the time so I call
river: 5c
hero check again( no point of betting, he is not calling if he got air and will only call if he had me beat, plus he might raise, I want to show down my hand)
villain counting out his chip and bet 81
I got some live tell that he doesn't seem like bluffing, his motion is very clam and not rushing.
hero?

Getting such a good price this deep I’d probably call pre too. Call turn, fold river unimproved. His most likely value holdings are 99 QQ JJ or weirdly played AA AK KK. Bluffs include AJ AQ and missed spade draws. You are beating only a bluff, a 9, or worse 10s, but he’s bet way too much to have these one pair hands.

I’m not feeling it. In marginal spots like these I lean towards a fold. If he bluffed me so be it but I’d rather put my money in when I am confident I am good.

You have a bluff catcher hand but I dont think he bluff enough in this spot... what can he have?
You loose to 99+, AK, KQ, QJ, KJ
You win A2-A5dd, but I think he bets flop... AQ, AJ

I fold...

What you think his 3b range is and go from there.

How many hands in this range he plays this way are you beating... not a lot imo...

I think he bluffs plenty in this spot, but his value range is pretty big. The information you should be considering is how often you've seen him 3 bet, what types of sizing he has used, and what he's shown down in those spots. If he's just been relatively active but not 3 betting, give him credit here and fold.

The river bet confuse me because when he bet this big, it take away hands like QQ, JJ from his range. Also his line on flop and turn not really looks like he got AA or KK or AK because it’s very wet board and turn, and I don’t give credit for 1/2 player check back monster to balance his range, so it really confuse me the huge river bet that he is reping a very strong hand, and strong hand on the river will be QJ for nut straight or some random set but those hand wouldn’t be 3b me post flop but most likely will just call in position so none of his value range make sense.

Reason I choose this hand to post because i found it very interesting, when I see he turn over his hand and it all of sudden the whole hand make sense and my original sense of his range was right

I probably just turn my hand into a bluff on the turn and bet pot/pot targeting QQ/JJ.

You block AA, TT and AK and can credibly rep AK, TT or JQ that turned a straight.

I like this too. Probably have to be prepared to fire both streets though as V might call turn somewhat lightly. But if you size turn and river correctly, this should get through a lot.

grunch

Hand seems good all the way through, imo.

Check/folding river seems good. You're going to have a number of better hands here like KQ/KJ, JJ to call the river with that you can let this one go.

Not sure I really like this. I'd rather barrel off with Q9s/J9s/88/AQ/AJ/A8 than this hand. I think AT has enough showdown value to not have to turn it into a bluff.

you called
he showed you a set

the turn bet is a feeler
to see how much he can milk you for on the river
fold turn

I don't see how folding 2nd pair to a "loose, tricky player" after the flop is checked through can be the right play.

I like to look at not only the turn but what is our river plan ? before committing any more money

this feels like a WAWB spot

Why call 14BB if we know we are going to C/F to a good sized river bet if we don't improve and even if we hit an A did we improve enough to now be ahead?

lets say we caught our A and led $75 and V jams are we calling?

so basically we call $28 to hope V checks river and we will get a cheap showdown?
doesn't sound like much of a plan to me

I prefer the bet turn bet river double barrel over C/C turn C/F fold river option

Grunch from title alone: Fold to the 3-bet (or 4-bet if you think he's FOS) pre.

OK, off to read post.

Post grunch edit: OK, this deep I don't hate the call, but you really should be seat changing so this guy doesn't have position on you all the time, especially once you are deep.

Hand is fine. Fold river.

Do you really think AT has significantly more SDV than a hand like Q9 or J9 or 88? I don't. The relative hand strength of those hands is nearly identical facing a 1/2 3bet range and the blocking effects of AT are objectively better than holding 88 which blocks absolutely nothing.

When we hold AT he just has loads more QQ/JJ combos than AA/AK/TT. Holding hands like Q9 or Js (which we really shouldn't even be continuing with) blocks his value range we want to fold AND his bluffing range while offering no blockers to his strongest value hands AA/AK/KK/TT.

Playing AT as a x/c x/c x/c is just not optimal when you lose to so much of his value range, while also letting him over realize his equity with AQ/AJ type hands while under realizing your own.

The problem with check-folding to the turn on this wet board after the flop checked through is that our hand range probably looks to the Villain to be exactly what it is: Either a totally whiffed hand or a marginal hand with SDV. His "delayed c-bet" is designed to gently push us over the "fold" cliff.

OTOH, given the flop action, the Villain's range looks no stronger than ours, and since Hero clearly is trying to limp to showdown, Villain would be dumb to not throw out a bet here. And if we are going to auto-fold 2nd pair in this situation, then what better hands do we have to call with here after we checked the flop and then checked the turn?

In addition, it's OK to call a turn bet...and then decide on the river, with a final card, how to play the street--even if it means we end up check-folding.