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Old 04-17-2018, 01:30 AM   #1
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1/2 AQss flops huge but turns bad

Hero: 220, just got to the table only played one other hand
V1: 300
V2: 200
V3: 200


V2 opens to 6 in ep, folds to Hero in CO with A Q . Hero 3b to 20, V1 calls on BTN, V3 calls from SB, V2 calls

Flop (83) Q J 5

checks to Hero, we c-bet 45, V1 calls, V2 and V3 fold

Turn (173) K

how do you proceed here with zero reads? I was planning on jamming almost any turn after getting the SPR below 1 after the flop but this is not my favorite card by any stretch.
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Old 04-17-2018, 01:37 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 AQss flops huge but turns bad

That's the nut worst turn card for you. I would check here. You're now behind every hand he had on the flop.
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Old 04-17-2018, 04:38 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2 AQss flops huge but turns bad

Check is good. I don't think you can call a shove here. I think you can call like 70-80 and hope to hit a flush, straight, or Q on the river, and ship it in if you do.
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:45 AM   #4
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Re: 1/2 AQss flops huge but turns bad

Grunch. 16 outs and SDV, with $150 left into a $175 pot? With no villian turn action listed, Go with your gut and jam.
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Old 04-17-2018, 10:31 AM   #5
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Re: 1/2 AQss flops huge but turns bad

Wow, while I agree turn isn't all that great, we are still way ahead of a lot of V's range and we have huge draw equity. I don't see any other option but to shove.

Surprised some of you guys are MUBSy OTT.
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Old 04-17-2018, 02:24 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 AQss flops huge but turns bad

I'm with shorn. Why would hero want to check on turn and let villain bet? Are we going to just flat and then jam river flushes and x/fold other rivers? C/raise ourselves on turn? Call a bet putting us all in or fold? Tough spot against an unknown. What I do know is we have a SPR of less than 1:1 at this point. We should jam now and maximize our FE.
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Old 04-17-2018, 02:26 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2 AQss flops huge but turns bad

I did go for the jam with the thought that I can turn my hand into a bluff, OTT I think that I'm gonna need to see the river / call off most of my stack anyway if I check to him and he bets, so I decided to just try and get any fold equity that I might have, I think I can put all 1-pair hands and sometimes even 2-pair hands in a tough spot by jamming especially when I have only just got to the table, it will look like a set. My opponent tanked for 2 minutes before calling with KQ that had the K of diamonds and we bricked out, but I'm glad some of you agree that the jam was in order there.
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Old 04-17-2018, 02:32 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2 AQss flops huge but turns bad

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I did go for the jam with the thought that I can turn my hand into a bluff, OTT I think that I'm gonna need to see the river / call off most of my stack anyway if I check to him and he bets, so I decided to just try and get any fold equity that I might have, I think I can put all 1-pair hands and sometimes even 2-pair hands in a tough spot by jamming especially when I have only just got to the table, it will look like a set. My opponent tanked for 2 minutes before calling with KQ that had the K of diamonds and we bricked out, but I'm glad some of you agree that the jam was in order there.
Cooler. You played it fine. If only stacks were a bit deeper, you may have gotten the fold.
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Old 04-17-2018, 02:49 PM   #9
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Re: 1/2 AQss flops huge but turns bad

Not MUBsy at all. You're ahead of none of his range. That's the reason for checking as this is the only line that allows him to make a mistake. If you know what his range is and still jam it's the equivalent of calling off your stack on a FD with one card to come.
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Old 04-17-2018, 03:36 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2 AQss flops huge but turns bad

The K added 3 more nut river cards to your hand. I’d keep firing. Awkward PSR here but a jam has to be OK. I really can live with any action that allows you to see a river or win the pot.
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:32 PM   #11
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Re: 1/2 AQss flops huge but turns bad

I don't agree with the jam at all. Do we really call off another 75BB with second pair and 1 card to go for our flush draw?

Depends on the game, but generally speaking in most low stakes full ring games it's not MUBSy at all to lay this down and find a better spot.

If I were V, I'd be snapping you off with 2 pair without a second thought, especially with Kd.
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:32 PM   #12
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Re: 1/2 AQss flops huge but turns bad

Just because we have enough equity to call does not mean we're getting money in good if we shove. We are folding out their weaker hands with a shove and folding approximately zero hands that are beating us. Plus we can still get paid by other flush draws on the river anyway
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:32 PM   #13
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Re: 1/2 AQss flops huge but turns bad

That turn card is the cherry on top of both his preflop button flat range and his flop peel range. As mentioned, it's the absolute nut low card in the deck. I don't understand a jam here either. If you really think your soulread tells you that you're still ahead, it's still a check. You're way ahead or way behind. You should be fist pumping inside if this turn checks through so you can make an easier decision on the river.

You only have 11 guaranteed clean outs going to the river. You don't want to be playing for stacks on that turn card.
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