Hero($320 MP): 20s African American/Asian female. New to poker but plays regularly. At this table as a tight
aggressive.

Villian #1($160 SB): mid 40s WG. Loose aggressive preflop but when it comes to Cbet on the flop or turn, he rarely does that unless he hit.

Villian #2 ($400 UTG): 40s Latino man. Plays similar to Villian 1 but more Laggy and cbets frequently

Villian #3 ($120 UTG+2): 50ish caucasian woman. Has limped with queens and kings. Mainly playing for high hand promotion.

Hero is given A Q
Limps on UTG

7 way limped pot.

Flop 8 9A

All 3 villians check

Hero makes it $15

Villian #1 calls rest fold.
Heads up

Turn is A

Villian #1 checks
Hero bets $30

Villian pauses then reraise shove with the remaining $142

Villian #1 is breathing extremely hard and focused on the flop.
Hero????

Don’t limp this hand.

Overlimping AQs is definitely not TAG.

AP, V definitely think he has a monster. The question is, is A6 a monster to him here, or is it only hands that beat you?

You are looking to call $112 of a $328 pot, so you need to be good about 1/3 of the time (34.15% to be precise) here for the call to be profitable. If his range is all boats, that's a clear fold (you only have 13.35% equity). If it is all boats and AX hands, it's a clear call (61% equity). What do you range him on here?

I'd let it go here, but calling the same action if I played it for a raise.

Just make it 10 next time. Don't be afraid of 5 people calling. It doesn't happen all the time and it's not that bad when it does.

Raise pre, gg is the only person on this board who would limp this hand here. I'm a huge nit and am happy to raise pre.

As played I call because the average 1/2 player thinks A3 is a monster here.

BTW if you got beat by A8/A9 here, you deserve to because how you played it preflop. If you raise pre and get beaten by A8/A9 that's poker but your play would ensure that you are punishing people for calling when they shouldn't.

Gotta raise pre.

As played my default is sigh call. If we had better reads that he was a nit I could get behind a fold, but people at these stakes show up with AT often enough to call

This is one of those threads where I'm going to die a little inside if someone suggests a fold. Sure this hand should raise pre, but as played it's an easy call due to all the worse Ax + getting 2:1.

AQ should definitely be in a TAG's MP raising range. Had you raised pre, this is a fist pump call, and these spots where you have your opponent dominated (better trips, better straights, better flushes, better boats) is where you make the most money in poker. If your opponent has a boat already, you pay them off without batting an eye. As played the situation is a little more murky. At these stack sizes, I'm never folding in this spot, so I'm calling all day. If he has a boat, he has a boat. Had we raised pre, tight opponents would only show up with 88 and 99 here, but described villain could have A2 and think it's the nuts.

Also, for GTO considerations (which don't apply much at 1/2), you need to have some strong calling hands where you may be beat but are never folding. Top trips with second kicker is an excellent hand to put into that category. Again, at these stack sizes.

Raise pre. Call now. He only needs a few non boat Ax for this to be a call.

Hi a little clarity on my TAG response. I was not saying that this hand was taggy but that the table had viewed me as Taggy. I had AQ AJ KK and lot of medium pairs during this table time that a raised with. I had AQ and KK raised preflop in this same orbit. Since I had AQ again in MP and had position over the Lags, I had the intention to limp reraise, squeeze playing it preflop. I should have mentioned this in my original post.


But yes I agree that AQ is in the range to raise pre.

I don't think OCCASIONALLY limping monsters is a terrible thing, especially with a hand like AQs that plays so well multiway. IMHO on the (hopefully) rare occasions where you do limp a monster, you make sure you do so with a plan if the pot ends up multiway - plan ahead how you're going to play a Qxx flop, an Axx flop, a fourflush, a broadway draw, two overs etc. Obviously you play those flops differently MW than HU or 3ways.

As played, this is a trivial call given the SPR.

Speaking of SPR, the only thing I would add is that on the flop you really have no clue with the SPR is with so many people in the hand, but once it's only villain #1 that calls, the SPR is suddenly about 3. When the SPR is that low I think you have to decide that you're going to call a raise before you even put a bet in the pot. When the SPR is higher, you can at least CONSIDER a b/f, but you have to make the decision before you make the bet.

If you don't have the best hand here, it's just very very very very bad luck and that's poker - take the bloody nose and move on to the next hand.

Hand is not a good choice for lrr IMO.

he´d probably open it to 32

NO!

The SPR is 7 against the short stack and 11 against the Villain, not 3. The turn is a standard check. All of a sudden there's a lot less combos of Ax that we're beating. We only improved to be ahead of 9/8 and they probably will not call multiple barrels. The obvious draw JT is going to give us a boat 43% of the time if the Villain hits a straight.

If I'm reading the thread right (and I understand SPR as well as I think I do), the shortest stack has $160 at the beginning of the hand, called $2 pre and $15 on the flop, so he has $143 behind on the turn.

The pot is $14 pre, hero bet $15 on the flop and got called, so the pot is $44 on the turn. $143/$44 is a little bit over 3.

Where are my calculations wrong?

Don't limp re-raise at 1/2. You miss a lot of opportunities that way. At 1/2 keep it simple - bet, bet, bet. Or 3-bet, bet, bet. It doesn't matter if you define your hand. Even if you do limp re-raise AQs is not the hand to do it with. Save that for TT+.

Ya like EVER.

And obviously call now

+1

Results of the play. based on how it went down me raise preflop wouldn't have changed outcome of the play. however I do agree AQ raise preflop is the right move


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Hero calls shove, RIVER IS 2

Villian has 99 and boated.

Not necessarily true. If we raise pre and assume V flats since they didn't open raise 99 a lot of 1/2 players will raise our flop bet on this relatively dry board with a set (huge mistake) and allow us to fold AQ. If they correctly flat call and let us turn trips we are probably still going broke but dont automatically assume a change in play on early streets wont effect outcomes on later streets.