V1 is fishy old Asian guy.

V2 is fishy 30 yo white guy, fairly aggro.

Hero and V2 stacks are $300, and V1 has $200.

Hero opens A Q in UTG+1, V1 calls in MP, V2 calls in BTN, blinds fold.

Flop: A 6 4 (pot=$39)

Hero bets $15, V1 calls, V2 raises to $35, Hero calls, V1 calls.

Turn: 9 (pot=$144)

Hero checks, V1 checks, V2 bets $45, Hero?

I don't know if small raise sizing OTF weights V2s range towards a draw and whether I should be looking to reraise here. AP I was planning to lead non-diamond turns.

Call, see what V1 does. Check river. In all likelihood, at least V1 will let you know if you have him beat ott or riv given he isn't going to be able to flat turn/help himself from betting river if he has a big hand, so you don't have to worry too much about river action that has you checking and considering calling v2 w v1 left to act (which is the biggest concern here imo). There should be no intention of leading river until all information is gathered - that's a bad approach to things and you're clearly a player who shouldn't think that way (you play a winning brand of poker given your posts).

+1 to not leading turn

Call turn, feeling like we are getting milked though.

Flop bet seems really small.

As played, call turn and evaluate river. (Looks a lot like AdXd, though, so I don't hate a fold except that he's a fishy aggro, so call )

totally just wrote out my opinion and had to edit it because I didn't realize we were multiway I thought it was heads up

Flop- if you have been playing against this villain for awhile and have seen him value own himself with top pairs to "find out imformation" lol or with combo draws I could get with coming over the top to 135. You labeled this fish as being aggro. To exploit that we have to protect our equity and go high variance. Getting v1 out will help us realize our equity heads up. However if you have not seen this type of play then I feel like calling and going to the turn is standard. Its a ****ty spot but obv we cant fold. v1 in between us makes things more difficult.

Turn- I curse myself and call. Im not folding for that sizing with the Qd redraw. If v1 3 bets I just fold the turn. If v1 comes along then we evaluate river.

River- don't complicate it. The 1/2 games I play very few players bluffs rivers multiway like this. This line seems super value heavy if he goes all streets after raising the flop.

at 1/2 there will be a much easier spot where you can get your value. On to the next one

Oh, I definitely agree. If I call turn I'm checking 100% of rivers.

I was weighing the idea of leading blank turns based on a couple of factors. First, I think it's a fairly accurate population read that this min-raise typically means one of two things. First possibility is a mid-strength top pair (A9/AT/AJ) which is looking to set its price to see a showdown. Or second possibility is a flush draw which wants to see a free turn and river in position.

If the range above is accurate, I think leading turn has some merits. It's an effective counter to Vs goal of setting his price to see the river. Raising flop accomplishes similar goals but runs the risk of isolating ourselves against hands like Adxd which we aren't even in that great of a shape against.

I realize now that I had mixed up the order of hand histories and I hadn't developed the read of V2 as an aggro fish until much later in the session. Given the flush draw hit on the turn I took a really nitty action and just folded to V2s bet. I would have called if V1 weren't acting behind, but I just felt it was too likely I was beat in one of the spots. This was definitely a mistake on my part given that as I learned later on V2 was a huge button clicker.

Oh, I definitely agree. If I call turn I'm checking 100% of rivers.

I was weighing the idea of leading blank turns based on a couple of factors. First, I think it's a fairly accurate population read that this min-raise typically means one of two things. First possibility is a mid-strength top pair (AT/AJ) which is looking to set its price to see a showdown. Or second possibility is a flush draw (not necessarily only the NFD) which wants to see a free turn and river in position.

If the range above is accurate, I think leading turn has some merits. It's an effective counter to Vs goal of setting his price to see the river. Raising flop accomplishes similar goals but runs the risk of isolating ourselves against hands like Adxd which we aren't even in that great of a shape against.

I realize now that I had mixed up the hand histories and I hadn't developed the read of V2 as an aggro fish until much later in the session. Given the flush draw hit on the turn I took a really nitty action and just folded to V2s bet. I would have called if V1 weren't acting behind, but I felt it was too likely I was beat in one of the spots. This was probably a huge mistake given that V2 turned out to be a huge button clicker (which I did not know at the time).

Really dont like the flat pre.

What are we hoping V1 folds? A worse ace or pocket pair?
I guess if he folds 75 or a small flush draw its a win for us but Im ok with him coming along with 10% equity.

Ignore me, wrong thread.

Super read dependent. What type of fishies are they? Aggressive V2 but what does he raise with? Two pair? TpNK? Draws? V1. What type of fish? Calling station with flush draws or TpNK?

I would call with a redraw if V2 is the type to raise with TPNK or flush draw and he the fish type that calls any suited connectors making my Qd good if it hits. If he the fish that calls with like 64 and only raises with 2 pair I fold. Also V1 has to be calling station and the type that would bet made hands.

Without these reads I would have folded flop. Calling someone a fish must’ve mean you have reads on why they fish.

V1 is the type of player who will chase gutshots for a single bet when he isn't getting the right price to draw.

I didn't have a ton of reads on V2 at this point. But just based off of his flop raise sizing it is clear this guy is a fish. No player is making a raise with this size with a set or two pair on a draw heavy board...they are raising their good hands large for protection against a flush draw. Based on my experience this is always either a draw or a weak/mid strength TP.

I folded turn because I assigned V2 enough credit to assume he would never continue to bet his weak Aces after the flush draw hit. It is completely illogical after all, given that I show a lot of strength with my flop call and V1 has a ton of suited cards in his range. As I mentioned before, it turns out this guy is a huge button clicker and he actually could have been continuing with AJ or AT on the turn, so my fold was probably a mistake.