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1/2 AQhh in sb, OMC raise pre 1/2 AQhh in sb, OMC raise pre

04-22-2019 , 10:03 PM
Hero 220$ in bb with AQhh.

CO is OMC with $400ish, BTN young average player $300ish, UTG+1 is short stacked 45$ to start the hand.

Utg+1 limps, CO raise to 10$, btn calls, sb folds, hero?

I'll add results in comments later
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04-22-2019 , 10:35 PM
I basically hate everything about this hand already. We are OOP, an OMC is showing strength, a short stack is limping, and we have an unknown young player who may bloat the pot. Meanwhile our hand looks good, but it could be dominated by many non-flush hands, and if we happen to hit our flush, we may not get paid.

If we call, shorty is probably jamming. OMC calls the jam, youngster calls too because he is getting the right price. Then we feel obligated. Now we're $45 in on a hand that we are in the worst position for.

I really want to let this hand go. It has all the red flags for a hand that will cost us 45-100 dollars and we won't even get past the flop.
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04-23-2019 , 07:45 AM
3b to isolate the OMC who will at least be more predictable to play against oop. Or fold if you don’t want to do battle on these terms.
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04-23-2019 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Kobold Esq
I basically hate everything about this hand already. We are OOP, an OMC is showing strength, a short stack is limping, and we have an unknown young player who may bloat the pot. Meanwhile our hand looks good, but it could be dominated by many non-flush hands, and if we happen to hit our flush, we may not get paid.

If we call, shorty is probably jamming. OMC calls the jam, youngster calls too because he is getting the right price. Then we feel obligated. Now we're $45 in on a hand that we are in the worst position for.

I really want to let this hand go. It has all the red flags for a hand that will cost us 45-100 dollars and we won't even get past the flop.
How will shorty jam? limper will likely close action.

FWIW I call the 10 bucks. Play cautiously as nobody is likely to get too out of line 4 way.
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04-23-2019 , 11:13 AM
Problem with this hand is that UTG+1 is short stacked. If you call, UTG+1 could easily raise all in, and that gives the OMC a shot at reraising, which is likely if he's that tight. AQ plays terribly against OMC and 2 other opponents.

Still, Hero is getting 3-1 on a call. Might as well call, see what UTG+1 does. If UTG+1 calls or folds, play carefully on the flop. You're pretty much shooting for a 2 pair or better hand.

If UTG goes all in and OMC calls (or raises), you instafold.
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04-23-2019 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
3b to isolate the OMC who will at least be more predictable to play against oop. Or fold if you don’t want to do battle on these terms.
Not a big fan of 3-betting the OMC since Hero will be OOP. If OMC has a real hand (likely), he may 4 bet you and then you have to fold. I hate bet folding in this spot.
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04-23-2019 , 11:17 AM
How does the table see you?

I 3bet this hand. I like it much better than flat/pray. OMC will let you know if you are beat. I really hate flat, UTG+1 jams and OMC flats -- then what? Take initiative now.

Granted, if this is an OMC who raises only AA/KK/AK/QQ, just fold.
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04-23-2019 , 12:04 PM
I've got nothing invested
UTG shorty is 90% jamming here

an OMC dusted off his chips, cleared the cobwebs and raised

let it go

I've learned long ago there's no need to try and win every pot
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04-23-2019 , 01:15 PM
wtf? 3bet
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04-23-2019 , 01:42 PM
Shorty is jamming like 2% of the time here. I can't count how many times a day I see a shortstack limp/call a raise.

Why do you call villain an OMC? How are you ranging him here?

I'd fold to an OMC, but to me an OMC is someone who doesn't raise AK from the CO pre because it's a "drawing hand." If he's that kind of OMC it's an easy fold. If it's just an old guy it's an easy 3-bet.
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04-23-2019 , 01:43 PM
I think calling is better than a standard 3bet, definitely better than a fold, I'm not as convinced as everyone else that UTG shortstack is shoving here so often, he is closing the action and it's only $8 more to see a flop

You could also get tricky here and click it back for like $25, if UTG shoves then action is reopened when it gets back to you and you can shove if OMC and BTN show weakness, if OMC just goes nuts and 4bets big you can happily fold
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04-23-2019 , 01:50 PM
If this is a true OMC (i.e. tight old guy) - call. If this is just an old guy (you have no insight into him being tight other than his age - 3-bet).

AQs is a great hand for a multiway pot. Plus being a BB is actually a preferred position if you flop a flush draw or 2 pair, as in that case you could go for a check-raise.
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04-23-2019 , 01:53 PM
AQhh plays great post flop, so calling seems fine here. W/e the shortstack flops something and you check to him he will likely just shove and the CO and BTN have to act before you which puts you in a great spot on the flop.
AQhh is just a top tier hand so re-raising is also fine here to 27$ if you expect UTG+1 to go all-in a lot (this will re-opened action and put the CO and BTN in a hard spot with medium strengt hands like 2s-9s and AJo or worse, since you can go over the top).
If UTG+1 will most likely fold make it bigger since you will have to play the rest of the hand OOP, i would suggest 45$.
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04-23-2019 , 01:59 PM
Folding here is criminal just flat and see a flop Jesus. If shorty jams and omc ships big deal we lost ten bucks
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04-23-2019 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ilike23bet
Folding here is criminal just flat and see a flop Jesus. If shorty jams and omc ships big deal we lost ten bucks
this is fish talk

that's why fish toss in chips with any 2 cards
GOTTA SEE THE FLOP
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04-23-2019 , 03:30 PM
LOL @ just mucking aqs to some old guys open

do aything but muck ffs
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04-23-2019 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
Shorty is jamming like 2% of the time here. I can't count how many times a day I see a shortstack limp/call a raise.
Or limp-fold. There's one guy who buys into my game for $100 and I've watched him limp-fold off his entire stack, it's almost surreal.

Folding AQs to a single raise seems criminal. I pretty much never fold suited boradways to a single raise. If he's a tighter opener then 3-bet can be bad, but otherwise I'm fine just taking a flop. If shorty jams, then I can fold to OMC 4-bet. Sometimes OMC will fold. Even if he calls, I'm probably still calling. AQs still does well multiway, and the presence of the closed main pot makes it less likely we get abused OOP by a lesser hand.
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