1/2 AQ vs Nitty McNit - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

V (BB, $280)- Played with him a little bit before. He plays very tight pf, occasional limping but generally opening pots. Fit or fold post flop. A few orbits before the hand in question:

He straddled, a few callers and I raised to 35 from the button with KJo. He lead for 55 and I folded. He showed AQ on a Q23 board and said "Nice fold, pocket jacks? I know you wouldn't raise like that with garbage." I said "tens".

Pre Flop:
Dealt A

in hijack. Two limpers, Hero ($500) raises to $15, V in the BB 3 bets to $35, folds to Hero, Calls.

Flop ($75): A

V checks, Hero checks

Turn ($75): A

V bets $50, Hero raises to $100, V shoves. Pot is $420, $145 more to hero.

Last edited by TextheZombie; 11-22-2015 at 04:33 PM. Reason: Put the wrong pot size ott

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11-22-2015 , 04:24 PM

Garick

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Yuck! Against this guy I fold pre. AP, I fold turn. Even though there are only two combos available, his range is pretty much AA and QQ only.

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11-22-2015 , 04:29 PM

nit3.runn3r

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He can't have AK here? Color me stupid, but I'm calling off after raising.

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11-22-2015 , 04:29 PM

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

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Fold pre. Don't call 3-bets from Nitty McNit with AQ

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11-22-2015 , 04:32 PM

doublegandt

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I probably can't fold. His flop check is dangerous, because it makes his two value combos more likely, but it's still 2 combos. I guess he might play AK this way. He might also have AQ?

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11-22-2015 , 04:32 PM

BadlyBeaten

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Nitty McNitterson doesn't straddle.

Hand is misplayed; bet the flop.

Turn min-raise is spew.

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11-22-2015 , 04:34 PM

Garick

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He's almost never checking flop with AK, imo, and almost never 3-betting AQ pre. Plus if he did make it tot he turns with those hands, he may well be unwilling to GII on a paired board, even though Hero should never have any 3's in his range.

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11-22-2015 , 04:35 PM

doublegandt

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If he's a bright nit he knows you shouldn't have AK beat when you check back the flop...but if he's a nit he probably still wouldn't get out if line.

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11-22-2015 , 04:35 PM

TextheZombie

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Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten

Nitty McNitterson doesn't straddle.

Hand is misplayed; bet the flop.

That was the only time he straddled in the 6 hours we played together. Not everyone fits into the mold 100% of the time, but this guy was pretty nitty.

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11-22-2015 , 06:29 PM

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Stupidbanana

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How is the pot 420 after you make it 50 on top of his 50 in a 75$ pot?

Edit. Nvm. Math.

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11-22-2015 , 06:30 PM

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eldiesel

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I'd fold pre. Against nits pp's are valuable, also SCs, when you can really narrow their 3-bet range, espec oop. With AQ you win small when you flop an A and he folds KK/QQ or you lose big when you flop a Q and he has QQ+

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11-22-2015 , 06:43 PM

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WereBeer

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This is the easiest fold pre in the world. Not only does his range crush you, it also dominates you. Notice how we flopped the world and we're still not happy to get it in? That's a strong sign that we messed up preflop.

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11-22-2015 , 08:09 PM

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BadlyBeaten

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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana

How is the pot 420 after you make it 50 on top of his 50 in a 75$ pot?

Edit. Nvm. Math.

Need energy drink; villain's stack was $280 and hero put in $35 + $100.

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11-22-2015 , 08:25 PM

#14

winadil

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Given reads would fold pre given image
After this flop am not feeling great.
Dont mind the check flop bit am never raising his turn bet.
Does villain ever show up with KK thinking hero doesnt have an ace?
Would probably just fold after the shove

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11-22-2015 , 08:38 PM

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philepistemer

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I think he has AK frequently enough that you have to call getting ~3:1.

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11-22-2015 , 09:11 PM

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ShowdownValue

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Fold pre is probably correct against a real life nit.

I'd prefer call turn, call river after checking back the flop. If he bets turn, checks river, then I'd value bet whatever I felt like he'd call with AK.

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11-22-2015 , 09:16 PM

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PFunkaliscious

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ugh. we are really giving him credit for AA or QQ? Well, really AA, since nits don't three bet QQ out of the blinds.

but they also don't 3 bet AK out of the blinds also. muck it.

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11-22-2015 , 09:18 PM

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PFunkaliscious

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Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten

Nitty McNitterson doesn't straddle.

Hand is misplayed; bet the flop.

Turn min-raise is spew.

how is it spew? Do you really think that if we just call and then call the river, do you really think that he is only going to bet 50?

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11-22-2015 , 09:20 PM

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PFunkaliscious

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Originally Posted by WereBeer

and nits are also easy to outplay in position... never going to flop pre against this guy for 1/10th of effective stacks.

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11-22-2015 , 10:19 PM

#20

BadlyBeaten

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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious

how is it spew? Do you really think that if we just call and then call the river, do you really think that he is only going to bet 50?

^Your reasoning is impeccable; it isn't spew, because, um, well, there's another street.

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11-22-2015 , 11:31 PM

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EfromPegTown

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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious

how is it spew? Do you really think that if we just call and then call the river, do you really think that he is only going to bet 50?

He wasn't suggesting not raising to keep the pot smaller, he was saying suggesting calling the true to keep his range wider.

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11-22-2015 , 11:45 PM

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PFunkaliscious

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Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten

^Your reasoning is impeccable; it isn't spew, because, um, well, there's another street.

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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown

He wasn't suggesting not raising to keep the pot smaller, he was saying suggesting calling the true to keep his range wider.

no.

in this case, raising for value (and inadvertently for information) against a nit is a great way to save some money.

when we are repping a 3, and the nit comes over the top, we can muck the hand and not lose any more money.

if we just call the turn for 50, and a brick rolls off on the river. The nit is not going to bet for more value and we are going to end up calling off at least another 75. thus, we save a minimum of 25. maybe more if a brick rolls off and we raise for value on the river, only to be facing a three bet shove that we are going to end up having to call.

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11-22-2015 , 11:50 PM

#23

EfromPegTown

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If we call turn, and the not bets the river, we aren't raising, and if we did, and he shoved, we'd basically be in the same spot we're now in on the turn.

Also, we aren't repping a 3 here because we don't really have any in our range.

Also, you contradicted yourself, you said the nit is not going to bet more for value, then said he would bet, which is it?

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11-23-2015 , 12:53 AM

#24

smoothcriminal99

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Ehh I just fold pre if he's as nitty as u say. If I'm calling pre im never folding this

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11-23-2015 , 04:10 AM

#25

philepistemer

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Would anyone who is advocating a fold also fold A3 here? because our hand has more relative strength than that hand.

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