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New to the table, trying a new game out that seems better than I'm used to. It's a game that gives some money to charity so it is legal and you only need to be 18 to play, rake is standard. There seems to be a good amount of recreational players here even during the week. Some players have shown SERIOUS gamble, but alas they are gone. Not really any reads to go off so far, a couple younger players who seem to be TAG ish one middle aged LAG who has been picking on one of them and showing some bluffs.

This hand starts with one of the <21 yo kids who seems like a smart middle eastern kid who plays tight pre and very ABC, but I haven't seen his cards yet. Saw him raise to 10, get 2 callers c-bet 22 and take it down.

V1 (~250) Opens to 10$ UTG+2
Hero (~200) has AQo in the HJ
I like 3-betting this player here, but without really knowing anything about their range I decide to just flat this strong hand in position

Blinds both call

Flop (40) A53

check check

V1 c-bets 22
Hero calls

both blinds call.. one of the blinds is another young kid who definitely seems looser than his friend who opened the hand. other blind is a typical loose passive fish.

Turn (128) JA53

check check check

Hero?

AP I think a turn bet of maybe 3/4 pot is in order. When the blinds call the flop they're likely weighted to draws and middle pair type hands. I think the PFRs check on the turn is probably indicative of not having much strength when no draws are completed on the turn.

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B/F $65.

I also like a B/F line of around $70.

Not generally a huge fan of flatting AQo to raises pre but maybe this is an OK spot for it.

B/F 70.

I’d definitely 3b pre, it’s a big mistake to go 10-ways to the flop with especially Offsuit

Turn id just check back, I’d probably b/f 60% pot

I don't think pre was a big mistake, we have position on the PFR and he was c-betting with a very high frequency and there is a good chance we have him dominated. I don't expect much if any action behind us as they had been giving his raises a lot of respect.

Hero bets 55$ on the turn, my sizing was smaller than what everyone else chose so maybe I made a mistake there. But I think its ok...

SB calls, everyone else folds

River (239) 5JA53

SB Shoves for the rest, ~135$

Hero?

It seems like everyone thought a bet fold line was correct, so we are folding here always?

Well on the river you're getting almost 3:1, can villian here ever be overplaying an A? What about bluffing missed draws? If it were me I would make an exploitative play and call if I think the villian could over spew here with a worse hand and just lay it down to tighter fit or fold types.

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You have to ask yourself: "Does V ship it here with less?" Ed Miller says it's rare in LLSNL games. You don't know where you're at because you played passively when you didn't know your Vs. You could have been able to get more of a feel of where they were at just by being more aggro post-flop. However, Eddy's sample is primarily in those tight Vegas games. I doubt he plays much LLSNL & probably can't recall last time he played in a fund-raiser event with 18 yr olds.

IMHO, when you're IP & don't know your Vs & have a strong hand, now is not the time to play passively. This is how traps happen, although I doubt anyone [other than the winner] hand anything until the Turn:

Guy I know playing 5/10NL last night. 6 way to the flop for $30 each.

Hero calls with 44 in LP
flop: [$180] TT5

Checks all the way around.

Turn: [$180] TT54

Flush gets there & Hero makes his boat.

BB checks & 1 V bets $40 & folds to H who makes it $175.

BB now makes it $1750.00 to go, into a pot of $395.00

Hero tank calls. BB shows T5o for the BIG BOAT

Hero felt like something was up; he did not like the Vibes he was getting; he felt as if he was beat more often than he wasn't, because it's the BB who got in for $20 with ATC, yet he called anyways. He probably shouldn't be playing 5/10NL, because he's been playing way too much LLSNL, but he has a HUGE bankroll.

Yeah, the decision would likely be much clearer had I played more aggressively or 3-bet pre. I would have likely just taken it down pre. But still I thought my turn bet was showing enough strength, AJ definitely being possible. I did not think this kid was going to try bluffing me here and likely had trips or a boat.

I folded..

He showed me a 3

Then when he found out I had folded AQ, he seemed rattled and said I was ahead.

If he turned A3 into a bluff good for him.

Then later on he said he flopped a set and had a boat. I think that makes the most sense, who knows though. Raising pre would have been best I suppose

I’m never calling the 1750!! Yikes, that’s a rough spot though, can’t imagine you are ever beating any value, AT with ace of clubs would be the only reasonable bluff you are ahead of, and LLSNL players don’t really do that sort of thing, I only see moves like that in the super high roller bowls lol.