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05-20-2014 , 08:45 AM
At local card house

Hero: tight image, haven't played many hands at all. $225. BTN

villain: new young guy with sunglasses. Seems like he wants to call a good bit and outplay people on the flop. $150

folds to Hero.

AQ I make it $8.

Folds to Villain who makes it $25.

My read is this guy thinks I'm just stealing his blind. I don't know why, just something about the way he bet so I figured he's doing this with a big part of his range here. After thinking for a moment, I decide to shove on him.

My question is do we see this resteal enough here to gain enough fold equity to make the 4 bet profitable?
Also should my sizing have been smaller given the stacks?
Is this just spewy absent better reads on villain?
Finally does my hand have enough equity against this villains range? I literally convinced myself he was 3 betting with any two cards here although in retrospect I'm not sure that was the case. Are 3 bets at these games outright bluffs enough of the time to make this play?

I feel like I goofed here but curious as to response. Thanks for the replies
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05-20-2014 , 08:51 AM
So villain is a new guy who you don't have any reads on, you make it $8 on BTN, big blind makes it $25, and you re-pop it to $150? Seems spewy to me. I don't see why you're trying to maximize your fold equity on a hand that is strong preflop. You are in position and you don't really know what 3-betting range V has. At this point, you have to assume the only hands he's calling with crush you (QQ's+,AK's) or you are a coinflip with (9's, 10's, J's, AQs) and you're folding out all worse hands (except possibly AJos if you're lucky?). Just call and see a flop. Usually at $1/$2 3 betting is top 10% of hands, especially out of big blind and out of position.

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05-20-2014 , 08:52 AM
Generally speaking, you will hardly ever run into light 3bets at a $1/$2 table. These players may expand their 3bet range some (I typically 3bet 99+, AJs+, KQs at $1/$2), but for the most part, a 3bet usually means a very tight range. You may infrequently have someone 3bet you light if they have a read on you, but since you don't (I assume) have any history with V, the above should hold true.
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05-20-2014 , 10:56 AM
Thx for the feedback. Haven't played much in over a year. Rusty for sure.
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05-20-2014 , 12:44 PM
I don't think V is 3 betting you light often enough to make shoving with AQ a good play.
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05-22-2014 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by PolProf
My read is this guy thinks I'm just stealing his blind. I don't know why, just something about the way he bet so I figured he's doing this with a big part of his range here. After thinking for a moment, I decide to shove on him.
I think you made a mistake here. I really don't think that $1/$2 players are even conscious enough about their blinds to be making a read like this.

For his 3-betting range I gave him all pairs and AKs, AKo, AQs, AQo, AJs.

Against 22-JJ, AQs, AQo, and AJs you're a slight underdog. 49.4% to 50.6%

Against QQ-AA, AKs, and AKo you're a huge underdog. 28.6% to 71.4%

You're a huge favorite against AJs. 70.8% to 29.2%

I think that he's most likely to fold 22-88, AJs, and maybe AQs/AQos but calling with everything else.

I gave him a pretty wide range here and would speculate he wouldn't be 3-betting you with less than TT+, AKs, AQs, and AJs in this spot.

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05-22-2014 , 10:34 PM
A 3 bet from an unknown in the bb is the nuts. Spew
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05-22-2014 , 10:47 PM
unless i know something about the guy i assume a reraise from oop is very strong as it usually is.

you didnt have much or any info on him except he had sunglasses. why on earth does that matter in how he is going to play.

probably the best play is to fold the ace queen, but if you cant do that then just call and see what happens.
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05-24-2014 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Zee
unless i know something about the guy i assume a reraise from oop is very strong as it usually is.

you didnt have much or any info on him except he had sunglasses. why on earth does that matter in how he is going to play.

probably the best play is to fold the ace queen, but if you cant do that then just call and see what happens.
It doesn't matter really yet many on here seem to think stereotypes can tell you something about a player so I mentioned the glasses. Thx
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05-24-2014 , 01:16 AM
This looks spewy to me. All you know about this vill is that he's young and wearing sunglasses. There's nothing to go on here about how he defends his blinds, how he reacts to a possible button steal, or even how he plays at all. To be sure, AQ-off is a better than usual button steal, and I have no objections to testing him with a 4-bet, but an all-in with so little to go on is a bad move.

If he's just another rec player who's emulating some hot-shot he saw on TV, then it's unlikely he's thinking much beyond: "I can has Big Slick, I raze!". You'd be surprised at how oblivious to position a lot of these rec-fish are.

Congrats if he folded, but don't do that again without knowing a little something about how your vill plays. At least wait until you have a line on his play. It would have been better to flat, see a flop, see how he reacts to the flop, and start to get a line on his play than to take a chance like that with so little to go on.

"It doesn't matter really yet many on here seem to think stereotypes can tell you something about a player so I mentioned the glasses. Thx"

Stereotypes can help you get a line on a player, but that's only a guideline. It takes some observation time to confirm or deny that stereotype. It's not something I'd be willing to bet my whole stack on after a new guy buys in.
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