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05-26-2013 , 10:44 PM

trucdouf

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I'm the BB, got the big slick.

No table information other than lots and lots of stealing and deep stacks.

Hand:

Limps to HJ who makes it 6
CO flats, button folds
Hero makes it 22.
Folds to HJ who makes it 50.
Hero flats

Flop - Q 7 2

Hero checks.
HJ makes it 100

Hero?

Most interested in the line, PF I figure QQ+, AQ+. 4bets are scary yes,
Flop comes Q, I have possibly two overs to a set, PP, or pair of queens at the worst I think.
Probably an easy fold but I'm curious of the Preflop play (for once) and check OTF.

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05-26-2013 , 10:52 PM

jwostr

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What are the stacks?

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05-26-2013 , 11:39 PM

trucdouf

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Effective stacks:

Hero: 180ish
HJ: 450ish

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05-27-2013 , 01:58 AM

slimshady1999

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Fold. I hate calling 4bets pre w/ ak without lots of history so I fold pre as well

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05-27-2013 , 02:03 AM

MrSpew

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assuming 100bb's
dont call 4b oop, its just lolbad in live games.

With the range you gave him, Just jam over 4b.

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05-27-2013 , 02:21 AM

trucdouf

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Originally Posted by MrSpew

assuming 100bb's
dont call 4b oop, its just lolbad in live games.

With the range you gave him, Just jam over 4b.

This is the first accurate use of lolbad.

Fair, I didn't really want to but 2 hands in 2 hours, for my sanity I had to.

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05-27-2013 , 02:22 AM

trucdouf

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Originally Posted by slimshady1999

Fold. I hate calling 4bets pre w/ ak without lots of history so I fold pre as well

Fair.

Fair on the PF fold too. Generally this is a fold headsup OOP

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05-27-2013 , 02:24 AM

trucdouf

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Originally Posted by MrSpew

assuming 100bb's
dont call 4b oop, its just lolbad in live games.

With the range you gave him, Just jam over 4b.

Mr spew says to spew

Fair, I might try this. I don't like jamming here because a call is 99% of the time KK+

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05-27-2013 , 02:33 AM

MrSpew

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Originally Posted by trucdouf

Mr spew says to spew

Fair, I might try this. I don't like jamming here because a call is 99% of the time KK+

then either you print when he folds everything but KK+ or your overestimating his range bc ive never seen a 4b/fold in a live game b4

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05-27-2013 , 02:49 AM

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Angrist

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Originally Posted by trucdouf

No table information other than lots and lots of stealing and deep stacks.

This is highly un-normal for a $1/2 game. It's also contradictory, if you don't have any information how do you know there's lots of stealing? We really need to know something about the specific villain in this hand.

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Originally Posted by trucdouf

Fair, I didn't really want to but 2 hands in 2 hours, for my sanity I had to.

2 hours and you can't tell us more about V?

There are VERY few hands that I put in $50 with preflop and fold with only another $130 behind. Yea, 4-bets are rare at $1/2, but the $6/$22/$50 line is weird too. I'm very tempted to just ship it preflop. You've got blockers to being up against AA/KK, KK might still fold anyway, and everything else is either going to make a big mistake (AQs calling) or a small mistake (JJ folding).

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05-27-2013 , 03:47 AM

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sauhund

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aren´t you this loosey goosey laggy guy? AK for 90bb pre is the nuts for you, sir! fir once you could capitatalize on your image, jam it in.
as played fold.

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05-27-2013 , 04:11 AM

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Dirty313

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get it in pre or fold to the 4bet

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05-27-2013 , 07:57 AM

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spikeraw22

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grunch: flatting a 4 bet OOP with AK is worse than quitting the hand and leaving the room. Either decide you're ahead and shove or decide you're behind and fold.

I'd decide I was behind and fold unless it was against a moron which you did not specify.

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05-27-2013 , 08:08 AM

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Chinned

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Very unusually small open to $6.

Is this normal for Villian?

As for pre. since when is a 4bet at $1/$2 ever not KK+.

Also if you have played 2 hands in 2 hrs I think A) it's less likely he is 4 bet bluffing you b) you should call pre. He's not calling AQ, AJ is you have been such a rock unless he isn't paying attention.

calling the 4 bet is bad I think you will agree on that.

As played the flop is a c/f. U beat nothing.

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05-27-2013 , 08:22 AM

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LivingOffZSun

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Better off 5-bet shipping pre than calling the 4-bet and playing OOP, with 90x.

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05-27-2013 , 11:32 PM

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trucdouf

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Originally Posted by sauhund

aren´t you this loosey goosey laggy guy? AK for 90bb pre is the nuts for you, sir! fir once you could capitatalize on your image, jam it in.
as played fold.

Gotta change gears sometimes my friend. This happened to be one.

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05-27-2013 , 11:33 PM

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trucdouf

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Fair to all the Preflop ships.

Really I should've or flatted.

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05-27-2013 , 11:38 PM

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trucdouf

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Originally Posted by Angrist

This is highly un-normal for a $1/2 game.

2 hours and you can't tell us more about V?

I waited a full pass to come in, this was only by second blind. Steals galore, rare showdowns.

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Originally Posted by Angrist

There are VERY few hands that I put in $50 with preflop and fold with only another $130 behind. Yea, 4-bets are rare at $1/2, but the $6/$22/$50 line is weird too. I'm very tempted to just ship it preflop. You've got blockers to being up against AA/KK, KK might still fold anyway, and everything else is either going to make a big mistake (AQs calling) or a small mistake (JJ folding).

Fair.

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