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[1/2] AKs TPTK 200bb deep? [1/2] AKs TPTK 200bb deep?

07-19-2016 , 12:49 AM
V : 40 yo chinese looks like he wants to gamble. not aware of position and size of bets, straddles each round, lats hand he called T8 on 79x x (even when JJ was exposed) for 130 allin in a 80ish dollar pot. he is up. (He covers me)

Hero (375) : 21 yo white guy. Im at the table since 2 hours im up too. They saw me 3b and or squeeze when there is a straddle and calls. They know im aggressive post flop (can semi bluff and almost always cbet)

OTTH :

V straddles, EP calls, Hero LP raises to 25 with AK, fold to V who calls, other folds
HU to the flop.
Flop (55) : K4J
V checks, Hero bets 40, V raises to 95, Hero calls
Turn (240) : Q
V checks, Hero bets 130 (we have 125 left after this bet), V calls
River (500) : 7
V checks, Hero ?? (130 left in our stack)

ON the turn, I was b/calling, and I expect him to bet river if he hits the flush.
Thanks guys !
any questions/comments on my play will be appreciate!
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07-19-2016 , 01:14 AM
Since he looks like he wants to gamble K4, J4, and 44 could easily be in his range. He may have reraised the flop to avoid the draws.

You have two choices here: All in or Fold.

All in may get the two pairs to fold, but I don't think you have enough behind to get a K4 or J4 to fold.

So I think the river is a check back... if you were deeper I would go all in and pray he folds.

Also why did you bet 1/2 pot on the turn. You bet over 2/3 on the flop while he reraises you to 95... Bet 2/3-psb on the turn. When you only bet 130 into 240 it may scream one pair. What happens if he raises you? bet around 180-220.
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07-19-2016 , 01:18 AM
I like the aggression. $25 is typically too big, but with table dynamics and straddle, I like it.

Flop is fine. I may even 4!, but I'm not married to the idea.

Nice sizing OTT.

I'm putting in the rest of my stack here against this V. He may have gotten there, but more than likely he's going to show up with a weaker K or Jx hand. You only need to be right 20% of the time to shove, and we're good way more often than that.
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07-19-2016 , 01:22 AM
when he checks the turn, shove. obvious diamond draw is obvious
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07-19-2016 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Perm
I like the aggression. $25 is typically too big, but with table dynamics and straddle, I like it.

Flop is fine. I may even 4!, but I'm not married to the idea.

Nice sizing OTT.

I'm putting in the rest of my stack here against this V. He may have gotten there, but more than likely he's going to show up with a weaker K or Jx hand. You only need to be right 20% of the time to shove, and we're good way more often than that.
very poor sizing on the turn
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07-19-2016 , 03:14 AM
Spr is 6.8 with tptk hu against a clingy fish. We are gii here.

I'm not 3b flop here because I'm not folding any turn and if we 3b flop it creates awkward stack sizes for villain to call a turn shove.

Turn I'm definitely shoving after the v x. Let him chase against your psb.
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07-19-2016 , 08:18 AM
Pot the flop

AP, easy shove over the flop x/r

AP, turn - shove>>>>> check> half a loaf

AP, river a shove, might be thin tho, ridiculous to still have chips in front of you against a chaser
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07-19-2016 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
very poor sizing on the turn
Agreed. Poor x/r sizing by villain on the flop followed by checked turn screams flush draw. Need to shove on turn.

I don't mind flatting the flop but only if your plan is to shove all non diamond turns.

AP, I'm checking behind all day long. This guy isn't calling you with worse.
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07-20-2016 , 12:16 PM
As mentioned, turn sizing is really, really bad. There is no reason to want to make any river decisions on this board. Push and Prey.

As played, I'm checking back river.
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07-20-2016 , 12:56 PM
This board run out is horrible. I would check back the river as played.

I agree with posters advocating 4betting the flop. This guy is not only a drooler, but he is tilted from just losing a pot where he chased an open-ender. On top of that, he is straddling! TPTK definitely good enough to ship after his flop min raise.
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07-20-2016 , 01:03 PM
Nah. If we want to cram the flop we are better off flatting the flop and cramming all good turn cards.

That way when he calls it off he has half the equity. We make a lot more money in the long run that way. And when a terrible turn card peels we can use our position to potentially check or fold if he crams.
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07-20-2016 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Nah. If we want to cram the flop we are better off flatting the flop and cramming all good turn cards.

That way when he calls it off he has half the equity. We make a lot more money in the long run that way. And when a terrible turn card peels we can use our position to potentially check or fold if he crams.

This is probably better, especially against described V. A lot of drooler chasers like to semi-bluff their draws on the flop, but not as many will make big turn bluff shoves when they miss.
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07-20-2016 , 08:05 PM
I like a stop and go here. Calling the flop raise is good. I'm firing huge when the flush draw doesn't make it on the turn because fish hate folding draws! AP, I probably check it back.
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07-21-2016 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Reubenr676
You have two choices here: All in or Fold.
Fold TPTK to a check?

Just check behind OTR. You'd feel pretty darn dumb doing his betting for him
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07-22-2016 , 09:19 PM
I checked back he had K6hh
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07-23-2016 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Perm
I'm putting in the rest of my stack here against this V. He may have gotten there, but more than likely he's going to show up with a weaker K or Jx hand. You only need to be right 20% of the time to shove, and we're good way more often than that.
This is wrong, you actually need to be ahead (and be called) more than 50% of the time on the river for a shove to be better than a check.

I'd shove the turn by the way.
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07-23-2016 , 06:08 AM
Kinda hard to 4bet the flop when it wasn't 3bet.
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07-23-2016 , 09:20 AM
I am checking this back here.

Mathematically speaking yes if you are good 50% of the time here you should bet.

I personally like to feel about 60% in these spots (even if its an AI push and I cant be folded off better)

I wouldnt want to feel I shipped the last bet to him unnecessarily and then rebuy with an image of someone who just lost his stack with AK. Image wont be great after that-- you can use that to bet lighter in future hands, but now we are adding even MORE variance to our session by doing so.
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07-23-2016 , 12:13 PM
i don't think hes calling ur shove even if you do on the river with k6hh. being results oriented but i still think a check is the way to go, unless you are trying to bluff some weird 2p by repping the flush
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07-23-2016 , 01:40 PM
grunch. Looks good up until the turn, which you should have shoved. He gave you a green light to get all the chips in the middle before the river and you didn't take it. It's borderline criminal that you got to the river with chips in your stack against this guy.

As played just check it back and hope he was button clicking.
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07-23-2016 , 03:30 PM
I think you played the hand ok considering what he had.

jamming turn is risking a lot, but are we ever bet folding?

checking turn or jamming turn are better than what you did, but that has already been said.

I usually let players like this hang themselves and it's too bad we got a **** river.
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07-23-2016 , 03:37 PM
i think you should check back on river, probably wont get called by worse and sometimes he has a two pair hand kj, k4 that isn't folding
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07-23-2016 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by stlows
I checked back he had K6hh
Sounds about right. Get it in on the flop after his check raise otherwise as played, shove the turn. River is easy shove. I'm not worried about flushes at this point - if he puts it in, I call. I might as well bet what's left and get him to call off with Kx and Jx.
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07-23-2016 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Perm
I'm putting in the rest of my stack here against this V. He may have gotten there, but more than likely he's going to show up with a weaker K or Jx hand. You only need to be right 20% of the time to shove, and we're good way more often than that.
You only need to be good 20% to shove when you have the option to check for free? I can't tell if that's a troll or not.

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Originally Posted by daveMASS
I am checking this back here.

Mathematically speaking yes if you are good 50% of the time here you should bet.
That is also wrong.

People really fail at basic math here.



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07-24-2016 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
That is also wrong.

People really fail at basic math here.
What? If you're winning more than half the time then a bet is always good, right?

Slight clarification: assuming you're ahead and getting called 50+% of the time but I don't think your 'basic math' comment was talking about that.
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