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Originally Posted by Ragequit99
If V really is doing this with ATC we are already ahead a lot of the time with nut no pair. Can we not just call him down here?
Shoving will get a lot of his draws and all his air to fold whereas calling allows him to make a mistake and bluff again on turn. Or he might be semi bluffing a small flush draw intending to fold to a shove but losing his stack on turn if he makes it.
I used to struggle in this spot before, but I think calling him down is kinda terribad. I think our options are shoving > folding > calling.
The problem with calling is we lose all of our FE, which is a huge part of what makes shoving the best option. By shoving we get many of the hands that are technically beating us to fold (e.g. 6x, 3x, Jj and lower pockets), and it's a pretty gross spot even for AQ, because we would do this with any set, KK, or AA. AKs with the NFD is virtually the bottom of the range we'd take this line with. Even if V finds a hero call, we're not really in that bad of shape. We have at least 12 outs twice, plus backdoor straight possibilities.
Additionally, if V has complete air, we don't want to give him a chance to catch up because all he needs is a pair to beat us, and as I said earlier, our equity is a lot less on the turn if it bricks... Best choice by far is to shove.