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12-05-2015 , 09:16 AM
Hero (BB) £400. viewed as solid reg to most but not villain who is new to cardroom. this session I've limped more often than normal and I've called 3bets and folded to cbets vs villain. He has 3bet me with K8s previously and cbet on a 7 high flop vs me and I folded. He may view me as weak/passive

Villain (SB) £450. seems like a competent LAG. Rarely puts chips in preflop unless he is raising. Has bluffed previously.

Folds to button who calls £2. SB calls. I raise to £17 with AKdd.
Button folds. SB looks close to folding but calls.

Flop Qd 6d 3x (pot £36)

Villain checks. I bet £20. He raises to £90. Hero?
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12-05-2015 , 09:26 AM
Based on your history I think he could be doing this with ATC. That flop is unlikely to hit your range. With the nut flush and two overs I'm going with it. I think shoving is probably your best option, because any decent raise leaves you with a less than 1/2 pot bet on the turn which is also where your equity goes way down if you don't hit....
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12-05-2015 , 02:10 PM
+1 to afterglw. It's only a PSR, and we're never folding here.
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12-05-2015 , 04:31 PM
I'm not at all against shoving over his raise and it would be my normal play here but just interested in opinions on:

If V really is doing this with ATC we are already ahead a lot of the time with nut no pair. Can we not just call him down here?

Shoving will get a lot of his draws and all his air to fold whereas calling allows him to make a mistake and bluff again on turn. Or he might be semi bluffing a small flush draw intending to fold to a shove but losing his stack on turn if he makes it.
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12-05-2015 , 04:41 PM
A LAG rarely has ATC when he reaches pot-commitment
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12-05-2015 , 04:50 PM
Does anyone still adhere to that rule of thumb of "don't put in 1/3rd of your stack and then fold"?

Could LAGs be using that as a line in the sand beyond which they need proper equity to make a move? Or, would you say they have a much lower threshold for needing equity?
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12-05-2015 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ragequit99
If V really is doing this with ATC we are already ahead a lot of the time with nut no pair. Can we not just call him down here?

Shoving will get a lot of his draws and all his air to fold whereas calling allows him to make a mistake and bluff again on turn. Or he might be semi bluffing a small flush draw intending to fold to a shove but losing his stack on turn if he makes it.
I used to struggle in this spot before, but I think calling him down is kinda terribad. I think our options are shoving > folding > calling.

The problem with calling is we lose all of our FE, which is a huge part of what makes shoving the best option. By shoving we get many of the hands that are technically beating us to fold (e.g. 6x, 3x, Jj and lower pockets), and it's a pretty gross spot even for AQ, because we would do this with any set, KK, or AA. AKs with the NFD is virtually the bottom of the range we'd take this line with. Even if V finds a hero call, we're not really in that bad of shape. We have at least 12 outs twice, plus backdoor straight possibilities.

Additionally, if V has complete air, we don't want to give him a chance to catch up because all he needs is a pair to beat us, and as I said earlier, our equity is a lot less on the turn if it bricks... Best choice by far is to shove.
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12-06-2015 , 12:51 AM
I very much like shoving here.

Min 3b would be 160, a little under half if our 365-ish left.

If we miss ott, our equity sucks going to the river and we have a huge pot with no FE.
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12-06-2015 , 11:34 AM
aftrglw nailed it.

You're right at 50/50 against his logical range, disregarding table dynamics. If he's trying to bully you, and you throw in fold equity then this is a profitable shove.
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12-06-2015 , 01:57 PM
Thanks all, very useful responses. Villain had 33.

Last edited by jon89; 12-06-2015 at 01:58 PM. Reason: but I got there!
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