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09-15-2010 , 11:04 AM
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Loose table, hero in sb with $400, villian in CO with $170.

Villian is fairly new to the table, 50-60 year old women who didn't seem like a great player but I think felt a little defensive at the table and informed us that she plays a lot of poker in Atlantic city, we're in canada.

2 limps, villian raises to 15, 1 fold, the I re-raise with AKo to 45. 2 folds, villian then 4bets to $100 total ($55 more for me to call), villian only has $70 left behind.

Action to hero: push or fold?
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09-15-2010 , 11:10 AM
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the fact that villian even knows what a 3 bet is your probably slight dog to JJ-QQ or crushed by KK-AA.

IMO most fish will just call any raise all the time.
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09-15-2010 , 11:23 AM
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Looks Like the lady has QQ+ making you a 2:1 dog.

Not enough money in the pot to make pushing profitable.
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09-15-2010 , 11:24 AM
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I plugged "60 year old woman" and "4-bet" into my hand range generator and it spit back {KK,AA}
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09-15-2010 , 11:33 AM
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Haha, awesome!!
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09-15-2010 , 04:24 PM
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I decided to push, I was playing very bad and spewy, she thought for a minute and called with jj, I missed and she doubled up. Grrrr
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09-15-2010 , 05:32 PM
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fold pre imo. (to the 15)
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09-15-2010 , 05:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom1975
I plugged "60 year old woman" and "4-bet" into my hand range generator and it spit back {KK,AA}
Does this come as an "App" w/IPhone?
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09-15-2010 , 06:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom1975
I plugged "60 year old woman" and "4-bet" into my hand range generator and it spit back {KK,AA}
I peed my pants.

Seriously though I have 4 bet older folks with AK when a little deeper and found they have AA less than I would presume. Don't get me wrong, it's a big part of their range but sometimes you can really get a read that they have a smaller pair like JJ or QQ... It's just a look or feel of less certainty on their part. If deeper older guys can lay it down... older women... a) they love them some ladies and b) they are a bit stubborn ("i'm not lettin' some whipper snapper make me fold this hand why I oughta ... ). With these stack sizes your just flipping as a dog.
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09-15-2010 , 06:24 PM
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801,358,272 games 0.703 secs 1,139,912,193 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.894% 38.02% 11.88% 304659576 95172708.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 50.106% 38.23% 11.88% 306353280 95172708.00 { AKo }


seriously, just fold preflop.
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09-15-2010 , 06:39 PM
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I think the stack sizes are deep enough to call and take a flop in position. Most women play so weak tight and underbet that you can safely fold to any decent size flop bet or call a weak one and re-evaluate the turn.

If you check back the flop if you hit you can usually value bet the turn and river against her jj-qq or kk if the ace hits.

I'd prefer folding to getting it in preflop here so I'd never re-raise her preflop ever.
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09-15-2010 , 06:43 PM
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I think the stack sizes are deep enough to call and take a flop in position. Most women play so weak tight and underbet that you can safely fold to any decent size flop bet or call a weak one and re-evaluate the turn.
No they aren't.
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09-15-2010 , 07:46 PM
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And we're not even in position..
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09-15-2010 , 11:07 PM
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Yikes, I am not seeing details clearly tonight.

Did not notice SB, Im used to reading from the hand converter...

OOP i probably fold preflop 70% and call 30% against the end of the spectrum with a wider range. I never three bet a lady unless i like getting it all in right then and there.
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09-16-2010 , 02:13 AM
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Nice 3bet bluff with AK blockers, sir.
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