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Old 12-04-2017, 03:16 PM   #1
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1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

H (covers) YWG, been rolling up and down, looking pretty lose, but playing pretty TAG. Showing down hands, moved seats a rotation ago, and clearly a thinking player. Probably seen as LAG by most of the table.

V1 (110)
MABG. No information, aside from the fact that he crashed from a 2/5 table and "needed a break". Seems friendly and pretty chill.

V2 (40) Mexican guy who had been winning, but got sucked out twice in two hands. Set over set one hand, and got his straight busted by a flush a few hands later. Has been playing pretty TAG since I sit down, and I moved to be on this guy's left (he was two seats left of me before my move)

otth

V1 utg limps, V2 in Cutoff limps, H on the button looks down at AdKh and makes it 12 to play (anything more than that from anyone snap folds all but the best). Folds to V1 who calls, V2 tanks for a minute, and then shoves his other 38$. With V1 to act after me, Hero???

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Old 12-04-2017, 03:33 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

Snap call. With an additional $15 in play you can't contemplate folding to anything other than AA and maybe KK. Unless V2 shows me one of those its a call AINEC.
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Old 12-04-2017, 03:34 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

Oh, just forgot V1. Instead of a call, I shove over the top. There is no chance V1 has KK/AA based on a limp/call range. So get him out of the hand and collect equity from V2.
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Old 12-04-2017, 07:30 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

If he doesn't have Aa/KK, don't i want him in?
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:53 AM   #5
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

Like, should my goal be here to try and get his stack in, or see a flop and reevaluate?
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:24 AM   #6
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

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H (covers) YWG, been rolling up and down, looking pretty lose, but playing pretty TAG. Showing down hands, moved seats a rotation ago, and clearly a thinking player. Probably seen as LAG by most of the table.

V1 (110)
MABG. No information, aside from the fact that he crashed from a 2/5 table and "needed a break". Seems friendly and pretty chill.

V2 (40) Mexican guy who had been winning, but got sucked out twice in two hands. Set over set one hand, and got his straight busted by a flush a few hands later. Has been playing pretty TAG since I sit down, and I moved to be on this guy's left (he was two seats left of me before my move)

otth

V1 utg limps, V2 in Cutoff limps, H on the button looks down at AdKh and makes it 12 to play (anything more than that from anyone snap folds all but the best). Folds to V1 who calls, V2 tanks for a minute, and then shoves his other 38$. With V1 to act after me, Hero???
So lets review

Youre looking pretty loose
Youre playing mostly TAG (tight / aggressive)
Youre probably seen as LAG (loose / aggressive)

Im not sure what to do with that.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:27 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

I think call / stuff flop and jam pre both have merit. If you think V1 would call wide because of "pot odds" or whatever, I like the first option. You can get some more value from weaker aces that are drawing super thin or small pairs that whiff the flop and aren't getting the right price to set mine. But it's not a huge decision. As long as you didn't fold at any point in the hand, WP.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:32 AM   #8
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

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So lets review

Youre looking pretty loose
Youre playing mostly TAG (tight / aggressive)
Youre probably seen as LAG (loose / aggressive)

Im not sure what to do with that.
I was playing pretty tag, but I was getting a lot of decent holdings, so I was playing maybe 3-4 hands per rotation (With 8 people at the table). Not because I was opening really light, but because I had pocket pairs, or big Aces.

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Old 12-05-2017, 11:52 AM   #9
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

After thinking for a moment, I end up calling the extra $28 dollars. V1 behind me thinks for a minute before calling as well. 3 way to the flop.

Flop (116 after rake)
Ah10s7h

V1 checks
V2 still all in
Hero????
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:31 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

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After thinking for a moment, I end up calling the extra $28 dollars. V1 behind me thinks for a minute before calling as well. 3 way to the flop.

Flop (116 after rake)
Ah10s7h

V1 checks
V2 still all in
Hero????
Says, "All-in"

I'm also shoving preflop. You probably have the best hand and V1 will call with all kinds of crap because "lol pot odds".
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:33 PM   #11
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

I like your pre-flop call because I am willing to play for all of V1's stack as well with your hand (55 blinds).

As played, I would would either lead small or check and hope V1 gets aggro and then come over the top. Nice to have the backdoor nut blocker too just for fun and BD str8 draw.

You basically flopped close to the world versus two shorties so whatever you think will get V1 to commit more $, do that.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:58 PM   #12
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

So V1 only has $70 behind?

You could bet small enough to force him to shove, like $40 into $116, should do the trick.

Or you could shove also, whichever one you think looks weaker to V1 based on your reads.

At stack sizes like these the hand basically plays itself.
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Old 12-05-2017, 02:39 PM   #13
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

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I like your pre-flop call because I am willing to play for all of V1's stack as well with your hand (55 blinds).

As played, I would would either lead small or check and hope V1 gets aggro and then come over the top. Nice to have the backdoor nut blocker too just for fun and BD str8 draw.

You basically flopped close to the world versus two shorties so whatever you think will get V1 to commit more $, do that.
I am in position, so me checking here would take us to the turn. Does that change your mind of checking v betting here?
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Old 12-05-2017, 02:43 PM   #14
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

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I am in position, so me checking here would take us to the turn. Does that change your mind of checking v betting here?
Nope. Given that you are comfortable playing for the rest of V1's stack, then either is fine still...check or weak lead. If you had no hearts, I would bet more often, but still not 100%. Given stacks, you have to be willing to fade V1 having a heart draw for at least one street if you want to get any value.
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Old 12-05-2017, 02:58 PM   #15
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

Shoving Pre-flop, rather than the call, seems better to me. We can isolate V2 and we fold out any weak PPs (22-88) looking to set mine. We would be getting value out of AQ, AJ, KQ (maybe AT?, since we're seen as loose) with a call but its better to fold out hands like low PPs, T9s, JTs, QJs when we'd be in a bind 3-way (1 all-in) on the flop if we miss. Even if we miss, we're still doing pretty well HU against V2's all-in range here so an iso re-raise all in seems better.
AP w/ a call, V1 has 70 left behind in a pot of 116. With TPTK, we're only afraid of ATs, 77s and maybe TTs (it would seem likely that TT could shove pre to iso V2 themselves). I like a small raise (~$30) here since our reasoning for calling pre was to get value off of AQ, AJ, KQ, JT, QJ, low PP. We're ahead of all of this range, it induces a shove from draws (straight or flush), and we have all the blockers.
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Old 12-05-2017, 04:27 PM   #16
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

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If he doesn't have Aa/KK, don't i want him in?
Eh, I'd rather win 100% of his $12 bet so far, use the blinds to help pay my rake, and go heads up vs. one player

I'd rather suck them with a huge pair like AA-QQ.
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Old 12-05-2017, 04:54 PM   #17
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

Is this a real thread? Just stick it in pre after V2 shoves his super short stack.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:05 PM   #18
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

Easy shove pre imo. As played, check flop.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:09 AM   #19
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

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Is this a real thread? Just stick it in pre after V2 shoves his super short stack.
This.
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:35 AM   #20
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

I check it back. V2 looks super uncomfortable which doesn't really matter decision wise, apart from side pot is likely irrelevant.

Results

Turn

2h.

V1 jams his last 70$. I think for a little bit, but end up making the call thinking the only hand I am realaistically behind is A10. Sets wouldn't slow play on this flop, and I have the King of hearts to block flushes. I call. Turn is some irrelevant blank (3x), I flip AK, he open mucks AQ with the queen of hearts, and V2 mucks in disgust.

I am guessing V2 probably had a mid range pocket pair.
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:47 AM   #21
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Re: 1/2 AKo, with a jam and a sandwich.

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Is this a real thread? Just stick it in pre after V2 shoves his super short stack.
There is no reason to be a dick here. I was just trying to figure out (without being results oriented here), if trying to play for both stacks was wise, or if I should have shoved pre. With AKo, and a villain already stacking off, I don't have a ton of experience playing in this spot. It sounds like V thought the same way some of us did, thinking he could bluff flush with a blocker, unless I had exactly KJ/K10h. I don't know.
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