V: The star of the table, been making big bets all over the place, in one hand he 3bet JTo and called it off 100bb eff and won. He constantly 3bets to double the open raise size, was up to over 600$ and is now sitting with 390$.

H: Stuck, in the game for 700$. Recently chipped up vs Villain after I called 40$ on the turn of KTxx and then 100$ on blank river with T9 and won, vilain showed QJ. Sitting with ~425$.

The hand:

EP opens to 10$
BTN calls
Hero (sb) makes it 45$ w/ AKo
Vilain (bb) makes it 90$
EP and BTN fold
Hero is drooling and?

Is it crazy to shove? You let him off the hook when he's got a weak hand and folds but playing AK OOP is tricky. Taking this down with no flop wouldn't be a bad result and getting called would be fine too as you rate to be well ahead of his range.

Did you consider a seat change to get position on him? Given how aggro he is, acting after him would have some big advantages.

ship it.

He is not going to fold. And you are well ahead of his range.

All in. If he call 100bb w TJ maybe he calls 200 w AQ

Yep I did shove it in, all the other options sucked OOP, was just making sure I wasn't out of my mind shoving 200bb here.

The table was full so it wasn't an option but this is one situation where I don't mind being OOP and calling lite all night, I think vilain is more likely to pull the trigger when checked to than when betting into if that makes any sense.

Againts a good, selective aggro LAG it would be a different story!

if hes that wide just jam pre. i might even 5bet small to ~$160 if that will induce a shove or a light call wheras a shove gets folds.

Shoving here (or making a smallish 5-bet if we think villain may fold to a shove but jam over if we make it smaller). You've already seen villain stack off PF with JTo, there's over $150 in the pot already and you have blockers to AA/KK. Doing anything else here doesn't really make sense. Folding is way too weak vs. this guy's range, and flatting just puts us in a bad spot as we're going to be OOP in a bloated pot.

What did he have?

Yeah I considered a small 5bet but figured it's a bit spewey when we miss the flop and get called by his 86s that flopped a pair.

He hads Jacks, I won, he took the loss graciously, we bumped fists and off he was to the 2-5

Did you follow him to the 2-5.? Did it cross your mind too?

Just a thought.

Limon from crush live poker said. "Why build a big pot with a player before we have the goods when we can build a pot with him anytime"
Something to consider perhaps if not in this hand, then in slightly less premium spots.
Good Luck

He's glad you shove with the worse hand. Why should he have been upset?

Do you not see the difference between calling a 5-bet shove deep-stacked and your "in one hand" example in your OP? Do those two scenarios look identical to you?

Limon is not from crush live poker. Although they still basically parrot all my ideas.

Second time limon being quoted ITT

What? I know that I and people on this forum would be happy but this is not the case of a lot of live rec players so to his credit he was cool about it, which I felt was worth mentioning.

@durxwild

It definitely did, although he said he was going to buy in for 200$ so it wasn't exactly that tempting, plus, I have never played 2-5 so I wouldn't have been as comfortable calling lite. Soon though!

Sorry Limon. You mentioned the concept when you were on Bart's podcast years ago. I should not have assumed you were now connected to the site. Great stuff every time you contribute to the poker sphere by the way.

Thanks for sharing your perspectives.

Good Luck

Hate hate hate most of the advice in this thread...V is an aggro spewer so our adjustment is to spew shove into him?

This was clicking buttons to make the hand easier

This seems spot on.

Another thing to point out is that while snapping a 3bet with JTo seems kind of spewy, there isn't any reason to assume that we're crushing his 4 bet here. The hand where he barreled with an open-ended straight draw seems standard for a loose, aggressive player, but also is a far cry from "he's going to stack off 200bb deep with 47o."

As it turns out that he did have Jacks, I just wanted to give a word of caution for making hasty inferences in the future.

As the hand played out, I think 5-betting to something like $160 to jam is okay, but I think flatting with the intent of getting it in on any pair or even check-shoving anything that's likely to miss both of you. This way you have the options of getting it in with the best hand or finding some fold equity. 5-bet jamming ~150bb seems kind of reckless, and you're never ahead enough for this to make sense.

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