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1/2 AK vs possible squeeze 1/2 AK vs possible squeeze

04-18-2014 , 04:02 PM
Hey guys!

Limp happy table friday afternoon.

Hero/SB(500) Young 20s white. Have been playing pretty snug and aggresive with some success, doubled up through V1 earlier. Should have TAGish image.

V1/Btn(700) Young 20s white. Generally LAG but can ratchet down when need be. Has had a few shots of fireball and may be slightly tilty. In this game for 2-3 BI.

V2/MP(250) young 20s white, pretty weak player. Suffers from SeeEveryFlop-Itis. loves to gamble. Have seen him cold call 4bet shoves with 88 pre.

The world limps (seriously, everyone limps)

V1 makes it 25
Hero flats with AK
V2 calls.

I decided to flat here because I think V1s range is polarized to JJ+/AKs or garbage. One of the few players in the pool who will squeeze a multi-limped pot. I don't think V1 is every continuing with a worse hand If I 3bet and admittedly I feel a little uncomfortable playing a deep 3b pot OOP with him.

On the other hand, its a clear 3b for value against V2.

What do you guys think?

Flop(85) AQT

Hero?
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04-18-2014 , 04:13 PM
Doesn't a squeeze need to be between a raiser and callers? This just seems like a preflop raise, on the button, from a player you describe as LAG. I think his range is a lot wider than you're allowing; at least down to 77+ and hands like QJs+ A9s+ etc. You also say he may be on tilt, which is even more reason to suspect he could be trying to take down all the dead money with a marginal hand. I'd 3b, but I'm not great with stack sizes this deep. $75+, maybe a flat 100.

AP, I guess I'm checking and seeing what V1 and V2 do.
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04-18-2014 , 06:13 PM
If V2 indeed suffers from flopitis then this is a mandatory 3b for value.

Is $25 a standard iso raise size in this game or have we seen V1 raise 10x+ before?
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04-18-2014 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by gotwoot
If V2 indeed suffers from flopitis then this is a mandatory 3b for value.

Is $25 a standard iso raise size in this game or have we seen V1 raise 10x+ before?
This is a tad on the large size, in this game him and myself have opened to 15 and >15 with multiple limpers.
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04-18-2014 , 07:58 PM
I'm 3betting this all day to around 80-90. Surprised you didn't end up seeing the whole table call the 25 as well honestly. As played...c/c him down on flop and see what develops on turn.
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04-18-2014 , 08:00 PM
Not technically a squeeze, but I think we all understand what the OP is getting at.

I'd 3bet before calling. There's plenty of dead money to cover the difference between AK and a pair if we stack off pf. In addition, I don't want to encourage the world to call, which would normally happen to me in a game like this. V1 is going to be wide and if he's tilting, he's going to call with lots of dominated hands.

As played, check. V1 raised, let's see what he does before reacting. I'm more worried about a check from him than a bet.
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04-18-2014 , 08:11 PM
Hey guys, I appreciate all the feedback but im a little confused as to the reasoning behind some of your guys suggestions. If possible could one of you elaborate on 1) Are we 3betting for value against V1? 2) When we are checking this flop, is this to induce a Cbet from V2? some other reason? Why not a B/F?
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04-18-2014 , 09:31 PM
LAG tilted villain with a couple shots of fireball on the btn has a much wider range than you are giving him. 3betting this pre all day

As played I'm checking and seeing what V1 and V2 do
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04-18-2014 , 10:16 PM
AK is hand that is basically a draw to one pair. And one pair plays terrible against many players. So calling here, inducing the world to call, is not great.

we check the flop because donk-betting is donk-ish. We sit back and let V1 spew his money at us. No reason to get tricky here. I pretty much check/call all the way unless we spike a jack
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04-18-2014 , 11:50 PM
I def think I'm 3! this pre. If everyone limped, and it's a 9-handed table and the open raise came from the button, I would quickly consider the pot size and a couple quick questions first.

9 people, less the button and small blind, so 7 have $2 in the pot, so that is $14, add the open raise of $25, and we have a pot of $40 including our $1 small blind. Costs of $24 more making the pot $64 total. I like a raise to: $64+25=$89, let's make it $90 total. My reasoning is this gives the original raiser 2:1 odds. He will need to call $65 to win $130 in the pot.

The couple quick questions are about the other players at the table, mainly the first two limpers. Are either of them LIKELY to be limping w QQ+ going for the limp re-raise? If yes, then just flatting might be best. Next question, if you flat and play the hand OOP against a "tilted spewy drinking" player, how many others are LIKELY to come along? If more than 1 more, I think this is a strong argument for 3! PF.

Ok so we flat, now we have this flop, and 2 opponents. Based on the fact that we are NOT heads up against button, who has a much wider range than you've allowed him, I think Donking is fine, if we do check, I think this is a wet enough board that going for the check-raise and ending the hand here is also fine. If we get shipped over by V2 then we can fold as we are likely behind to 2pr+, but if it's V1, I'm gii here.
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