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Old 07-15-2018, 06:19 PM   #1
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1/2 AK - TPTK 4-way on monotone board

Playing six or seven handed

Hero ($230): Late 20s-Early 30s LAG. Running very bad, Has gotten Aces and Kings cracked recently, slightly tilty image.

V1($400): Solid middleaged guy who is pretty tight and doesn't often get out of line

V2($350): Newish LAG middle-aged Russian guy who has been picking up nearly every pot he's entered since sitting down with constant aggression. Lots of C-bets and raises.

V3 ($150): Loose passive guy, does not try to hide the strength of his hand.

V1 limps UTG, Hero Raises to $11 with AhKs, V2 Calls from Cutoff, V3 calls from button. V1 calls.

Flop: 9cKc4c

Line check.

Turn: Ad

V1 bets $26, Hero calls, V2 raises to $100. Fold, Fold, Hero calls $74 with intention of check calling nearly all non-club rivers.

River:7h

Hero checks, V2 thinks a bit and then shoves, hero sticks to plan.

Thoughts?
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:15 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2 AK - TPTK 4-way on monotone board

This was my first post ever - did I do something wrong not to get any replies? Genuinely curious, I tried to follow the general format of other threads and keep it succinct.

Anyway I'll bump this one time and then let it be. I was hoping for some feedback on my flop decision in particular.
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:34 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2 AK - TPTK 4-way on monotone board

I'm not sure how your 1/2 plays but at my games with a limper already in the pot your $11 pre flop open in MP (I'm guessing your seat as it wasn't provided) is too small. I wont say it's spew but it's inviting a very multi way pot and reducing your equity drastically. I wold make it 15-17 to go here.

AP It's not a perfect flop but you're ahead of soooo many hands here bet the flop ($25-30). Someone may playback with just the A or a made flush, then you'll have to make a read. Bet fold is fine if it's coming from a tighter nittier player.

Turn improves our hand, assuming we got called on flop a check or value bet could both have merit based on how the action went, what Vs remain etc. AP, your call / call line on the turn is designed to induce a river jam against your young LAG. You got what you wanted and the LAGs range is certainly wider than just flushes. Your hand is so under repd it's sick to fold against this player description. I probably pay him off here but I would have played the hand differently and may have been able to fold based on different action.
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:47 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 AK - TPTK 4-way on monotone board

Thanks for the feedback. Your logic on the flop makes a lot of sense - definite mistake there, but I don't feel too bad about my turn and river decisions as played.
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:16 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 AK - TPTK 4-way on monotone board

against the described villain on the button, im limping. then re-raising. How likely is it that this aggro-ball limps his button?

As played, I like the check on the flop. Its too easy for Comrade LAG, or anyone else in the hand really, to make a move at this pot with the Ac, any of the Broadway hands with one club plus straight draw.

I raise the turn. Value time.
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:30 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 AK - TPTK 4-way on monotone board

Flop - 4 ways you have to bet this. You can easily get called by worse Ks and flush draws. I can see i check if you're HU vs V2 to try to induce. However you can't let others hang around for free and get there. Also from a balance perspective - if you're not betting TPTK there, what are you betting? You've effectively massively polarized your flop betting range. While most Vills probably won't exploit - it's something to consider.

Turn - think this is fine. Again HU vs V2 I don't mind a raise to get him to commit with his draws or pr+draw hands. However with others in the pot - if you raise and get repopped or called by anyone else you're in a bad spot where it's going to be difficult to fold given pot and stack sizes but you're basically always drawing to 4 outs.

River - yep. Let Vill try to move you off a hand. Given description it sounds like he doesn't pick his spots well for aggression.

If he is thinking the way you played your hand makes very little sense unless you have something like A9. 2 pr/flushes/pr+FDs/NFD are usually betting on the flop. And then checking the river almost always takes slowplayed NFDs out of your range. Maaaaybe you can play Qc9 like that - but that seems dumb, or I guess a weirdly played NFD. Basically you're not exhibiting enough strength for him to think that shipping a strong hand on the river is a good idea.

yes - sometimes these vills ship the flush regardless, but he can also be shipping with whiffed FDs and given that he's the only one who showed real aggression during the had, this type of Vill can have all sorts of weird trash.
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:13 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2 AK - TPTK 4-way on monotone board

Preflop is good.

Flop we can either bet/fold or just check back. I'm fine with either.

Turn we can either flat the $26 or raise. I actually lean towards making a small raise like $65. I'm definitely folding to a reraise on the turn though.

As played, facing the turn raise, this is a bit of a sick spot. There are a tonne of flushes in their ranges as fish love to call with junky suited hands preflop like Q5s. We can either fold now, or we can call with the intention of folding to a river bet if we don't boat up.

I probably lean towards flatting turn, only because there's a small chance that villain might be getting out of line with a weaker 2pr hand or just the NFD, and if villain has either of those hands, then he'll often check the river instead of firing again.

As played, once villain fires again on the river, we need to fold here.
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:43 AM   #8
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Re: 1/2 AK - TPTK 4-way on monotone board

Preflop is not good. Spr >5 and 3 callers to the flop....its not a disaster, but there's nothing about this situation I particularly like.

I think the dynamic with V2 makes this a golden opportunity to limp/rr, but if you're not cool with that, then pre-flop sizing needs to be at least $20
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Old 07-18-2018, 02:25 PM   #9
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Re: 1/2 AK - TPTK 4-way on monotone board

Definitely bet the flop and continue on the turn. Plan to go for at least 2 streets (if not three assuming a 4th club doesn't come). Someone will let you know if thy have a flush, so you need to target second best hands, particularly those that have a High in them.
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Old 07-19-2018, 05:26 AM   #10
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Re: 1/2 AK - TPTK 4-way on monotone board

I think pre is fine. It depends on your 1/2 game. My standard raise in my 1/2 games is 8+1bb for every limper and it works fine.
Would bet 30 otf.
AP definitely calling river getting ~3:1. Especially with the description you gave villain.
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