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[1/2] AK in position, what's our plan on the flop here? [1/2] AK in position, what's our plan on the flop here?

08-12-2019 , 11:00 AM
Hero is 30s WG. Tightest player at the table and hasn't gone to show down much. Caught bluffing once on the river with a hand that had no show down value. Uncertain if V even noticed though. Other than that, I have 3!'d maybe twice in the 4 or so hours i've been playing. Also have been careful with my cbets and haven't necessarily just auto fired heads up on every single flop when i was the pre flop raiser. I've been checking back weak, medium, and strong hands at some frequency.

Villain is a 20s muscle guy with a beard and tattoo sleeve. He plays too loose imo, but has at least some idea of position and preflop hand values (i.e. i saw him 3! a button open out of the sb with A8s). I don't view him as overly tricky post flop. He's up big for the session and I get the impression he doesn't really want to lose it all back.


H is effective at $300

V opens in MP to $17 (this is on the larger end for the game), MP2 calls, HJ calls, Hero raises to $55 with AK. V thinks for a minute or two and calls. Others fold.

Pot: $147
Flop: 547
V checks, Hero...


Do we like a check back thinking that there's little fold equity against V's 3! calling range in this spot

or

Do we like a downbet with the intention of shoving all turns?
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08-12-2019 , 11:14 AM
We need reads on HJ. In a vacuum Id probably fire 55 and give up if I got called.

The 1+ minute tank preflop is suspicious though. Has he done this before? If not I would be worried and probably just check.
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08-12-2019 , 11:16 AM
First off: bigger pre with $17 open and two calls. We want to amplify fold equity here with this much dead money out there. Taking it down pre with A high would be a great result.

As played i think this is one of the flops i am giving up on, as we whiff completely with no draws at all to fall back on. If i could put villain on a somewhat wide range after calling the 3 bet (for example due to a smaller open) i am firing a healthy size C-bet here to fold out hands like AQ, KQ suited and put the pressure on smaller overpairs like 88-1010. However, after going $17 pre i suspect that this villains range is pretty strong here after he calls the 3 bet.
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08-12-2019 , 11:23 AM
Grunch:

If there’s little fold equity, and you’d have essentially a pot sized bet to jam with, I’m going to go with a check.

Caveat: I’m a noob
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08-12-2019 , 12:14 PM
Prefer to check back flop and 3/4 PSB nearly all turns here if V checks to us. We have all the big overpairs here on a relatively harmless board. I think V can find a fold for his 88-JJ. If he calls we probaly still have a few outs otr.
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08-12-2019 , 12:24 PM
bigger pre, evn as in position player that is way too small. 2.5x+ plus the dead money as raise size - lets make it $100 to go.

flop isnt ideal, but in this situation hypothetically the correct pre flop size helps wiff out those 6x hands & pp's that are in for set mining - our range does have an overpair advantage. (set mining is ludicrous when they having to commit 33% of your stack size to it.

AP though, sets and 6x hands are more likely, i think a check back is fine.


edit. awaiting criticisms of why any villain would have 6x in their 3bet calling range - its live poker..
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08-12-2019 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PROPOSITION_JOE
bigger pre, evn as in position player that is way too small. 2.5x+ plus the dead money as raise size - lets make it $100 to go.

flop isnt ideal, but in this situation hypothetically the correct pre flop size helps wiff out those 6x hands & pp's that are in for set mining - our range does have an overpair advantage. (set mining is ludicrous when they having to commit 33% of your stack size to it.

AP though, sets and 6x hands are more likely, i think a check back is fine.


edit. awaiting criticisms of why any villain would have 6x in their 3bet calling range - its live poker..


The 6x ranging is less puzzling to me than the 3! From $17 to $100 to be honest


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08-12-2019 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgalosk
The 6x ranging is less puzzling to me than the 3! From $17 to $100 to be honest


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100 may be a little big but there are two callers in between so a lot of dead money here. I usually raise 3x +1 for each caller with my in position 3bets so I'm going 80-85 here.

I'm checking flop and taking my equity. I don't get in the business of trying to make generic unknown 1/2 players fold overpairs and that is the majority of his range here.

If you do cbet it should be a downbet ~50$
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08-12-2019 , 02:43 PM
Seems like he might have a fold button, so you can bet flop here IP to fold out his unpaired overs (that have 30% eq) while also setting yourself up well for the rest of the hand. If he ckc flop, you may decide to blast him off pairs on turns OR just Ck back and try to make a pair and show it down pretty cheaply. Betting flop under these circumstances is going to get you to the river IP often without anything beyond the cost of your flop bet OR you just win the pot now. I think that’s the adjustment I would make here even though I just have zero sets here - the guy is just going to play his hand and when he’s facing bets he’ll just assume you have an OP. Checking back is acceptable as well, even if it isn’t something you would do with AA. It just shouldn’t matter against this guy/this game.
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08-12-2019 , 03:50 PM
3bet should be bigger pre
Check flop
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08-13-2019 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Gorgalosk
The 6x ranging is less puzzling to me than the 3! From $17 to $100 to be honest

ugh my brain got stuck for a second - (2.5 x 17) + 17 + 17 or (3 x 17) + 17 + 17 - 3bet of somewhere between the two @ $80 is pretty reasonable.

$100 is less of a mistake than $55 however.
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08-13-2019 , 06:42 AM
Unusual over raises pre are usually AK or JJ/TT. Find a common equation for your pre flop sizings.
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