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1/2 AK with A J 10 flop OOP against 2 Villains 1/2 AK with A J 10 flop OOP against 2 Villains

05-02-2010 , 02:37 PM
Stacks are Villain 1= 400 and Villain 2= 175. Hero has 425

I just got lucky 2 hands before and sucked out to win a 250 pot and knew I had misplayed that hand badly. I was kind of pissed at myself and knew I was not thinking clearly during that hand or the current hand we get to. That is something else to consider. From the beginning of the hand I was trying to make sure I did not make a big mistake since I realize I am not fully on my game.

Villain 1 can get aggressive and views me as solid tightish player capable of making a move on him though due to his image. He has been pretty active at table for the last hour.

Villain 2 have never played with before only at table 10 minutes.

Villian 1 raises to 14 from MP, Villain 2 calls, Hero w/ AK off from BB calls, early limper calls.

Flop A J 10 rainbow. Pot= ~52ish minus rake Hero?
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05-02-2010 , 02:38 PM
I will follow up with the flop and turn action after my preflop has been discussed and what to do on the flop is discussed.
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05-02-2010 , 02:53 PM
Reasons why we're not 3betting PF?
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05-02-2010 , 03:02 PM
I dont have a good reason other than like I said I was not thinking clearly. If I do make it 50 preflop I feel great jamming this flop, but like I stated I did not. So, OOP you like just making this 50-60 pre?
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05-02-2010 , 03:03 PM
stacks are SO deep it's almost always correct to 3bet pf.
I would have 3bet to ~60 as there was even a caller.

As played, betting out seems too risky as there are not many that we beat that would call our bet. Also when AQ or some kind of draws decides to raise our hand we probably have to let our hand go.

Check and see what happens?
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05-02-2010 , 04:00 PM
3 bet pf to squeeze. This flop is a reason you do it. If you had raised pf to even just $50 and got called, the pot is $116 and you have $375. You have no qualms about betting out and calling all raises with a SPR under 4 with TPTK and 4 outs to the nuts. As played, you have TP and the SPR is 8, a miserable place to be. You're check calling the flop or check raising if you think the villain is FOS. Folding isn't really an option unless there's a bet and a shove before you act.

Keep in mind that only jacks are good for you. Another king could give QQ the straight.
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05-02-2010 , 05:10 PM
OK, so I made one mistake preflop so here is the flop action

Flop A J 10 rainbow. Pot= ~52ish minus rake. Hero checks, Villain 1 bets 30, Villain 2 calls 30, Hero then raises to 75 actually hoping to rep a big hand to Villain 1 and take it down there. Villain 1 thinks then just calls the 45 more, Villain 2 calls the 45 more.

Turn is A J 10 2. Hero?
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05-02-2010 , 05:23 PM
ok, first of all you should be 3betting pre for reasons described earlier.

Your c/r has to be wayyyyy bigger. You're almost minraising here, pricing in so many hands that have decent equity against you. C/r to like $105ish. Now you're totally lost and their range is so undefined, plus you have to dodge a lot of bad cards on the turn.

Also, I'm leading this flop rather than c/r

Last edited by WorldsBiggestNit; 05-02-2010 at 05:41 PM. Reason: didn't pay attention to c/r size at first
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05-02-2010 , 05:26 PM
Villain 2 is getting it all in here no matter what. V1 and you are probably getting it all in here on the turn? I like your chances here with MP's range and his probably middle pair or worse ace. Your flat out of the BB probably makes him think his worse ace has you beat.

Your equity is awesome against the tightest of ranges.
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05-02-2010 , 07:12 PM
I'm not making a crai on that flop (especially not a min-crai.) Now u pretty much have to lead the turn, no? If u thought u were ahead u still are.
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05-02-2010 , 09:58 PM
OK, so since it was good and butchered and both called my raise I really thought Villain 1 could have J 10 and be concerned with my having flopped the straight, but that he was not going to go anywhere so he just called my flop raise. I was also concerned that Villain 2 had some kind of A J or A10 and he obviously was never folding. I figured that even if I could get Villain 1 to fold, it did not matter how much I bet on the turn because Villain 2 was never folding and I was just burning money. So....
Turn A J 10 2 Hero checks, Villain 1 bets 50 (now I definitley am not concerned with him having me beat) and Villain 2 goes all in for like 90 total, Hero folds.

Villain 2 turns over A2 for turned 2 pair and Villain 1 turns over AK

I know the whole play looked awkward as hell, but my thinking was correct against Villain 1. I mean I do think HU I can get him off the hand with my image against him, and on the flop I actually thought I could be ahead of Villain 2 (obviously he got there). I struggle with what to do against 2 players when one is acting strong, but I dont think he is too strong, and some person who I view is just playing their hand is also involved. I just try to be conservative in that spot and try and figure out where I am at the same time, but playing it OOP just really sucks bad. If I just 3 bet pre it is all easier and even if the deeper stack moves all in it is still cheaper for me than what I put in this hand all together and folded on the turn anyway.

Last edited by mbp711; 05-02-2010 at 10:10 PM.
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05-02-2010 , 11:05 PM
Interesting hand! PF is interesting and a good spot... In my experience when you squeeze live it is often the last player that calls you in terms of position, this is a good result with AK because the villian who is deep will likely fold and then you can play a big pot with villain 2 who has 80bb's or so, so i would love a pf 3bet here, however i dont think calling pre is terrible and is also quite good for mixing up your range.

I dont really like your flop play, your minraise is weird as you price them in with all their value range and give them a chance to hit for cheap on the turn. Id make it 110-120 and go from there, if only villian 2 calls, id jam most turns
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