9-handed 1/2 table. Villian is semi-loose passive young guy.3 limpers including villian in CO. Hero has Ah Kd in bb raises to 20,everyone folds to villian who calls. Villian has $210 and hero has him covered.
Flop(45): Kh Th 7c hero bets 30,villian calls.
Turn(105): 6h hero has Ah and decides to check,villian bets $75, hero?
Should i bet on this turn or check? Now his range includes flushes,two pairs or unlikely Kx.

Turn seems like a fairly easy b/c spot to me.

I don't see a lot of 2 pair combos in his range, he's probably not l/c 20 to a largish bb open with k10 or 107, 67 folds flop, etc.

KQs sometimes KJs both definitely in v range, as well as flushes and sets, but you block nut flush so that takes a bunch of flush combos out.

I'm going with it here, we usually have outs if we're beat.

I would bet the turn for value myself with a sizing I don't plan to fold. Lots of value from worse.

I mean, if I'm checking the turn vs. this guy in this spot, it's probably to check/fold.

When you check and he bets, he's way stronger than if you bet and he calls.

His sizing is also very strong.

So there's that.

Pot flop.

As played, shove turn.

I don't mind the x/r OTT.

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That's exactly it, IMO

Why did you let him put you in the cage?

Unless you -truely- believe he was on a flush draw the turn needs bet for some value and I'm not folding after that with TPTK and re-draw considering stack sizes.

Personally, I'm probably finding a nit-fold considering bet size. If I got bluffed then good for him and I'll find another spot to accumulate.

should have lead the turn ... cages suck ...

Why do u want to overshove on the turn and blow him off his worse pairs?The guy is kind of passive,so c/r shove is out of the question.

What does a x/r ott accomplish?

Do you b/f turn without Ah? If we are deep stack like 100BB stack behind,would you still bet/call?

I like the check on the turn. flop bet was a little soft.


89 and hearts get there on the turn. without the A, this is an instamuck.

with the A.... I still think it is a fold. Passive players always have 2pr+ here.

If he has something like QJ, he has our equity down to like 15% to make the river.

IDK if I play it right frankly - but I bet out strong on a flop like that even though I'm holding the nut draw. I'd rather take it down then or if not punish V for drawing, especially out of position. I like 60 on the flop. But like I said - not sure if that's profitable long term.

IMO - if you check turn you have no idea where you are in the hand going forward. You have to see if he raises or just flats.

After V bets the turn, the pot is $180 and there is just $85 left in stacks.

Its not an overshove. Its actually a tiny raise.

You guys can do math right?

What are you going to do... fold to his turn bet?

ETA: I guess you could be folding to the turn bet. I think its a pretty thin fold though.

Flop bet isn't bad..I may go $35-40 though just to charge draws alil more...with the A of hearts, Im betting this turn..V had $160 after calling the flop, so with outs to the nut flush draw, I'm prepared to call if he shoves over our turn bet.

Villain can do this with Kx if he viewed your C-bet OTF as a standard c-bet. I doubt Villain limped w KK,TT or called your 10x re w 66,77, K6, K7, KT. Def can be suited up or pulling off a float. Check/calling would put you in a weird spot on the river because if the river bricks, you are probably check/folding. I'd probably c-bet turn and pot commit us if our opponent shoved.

Great questions.

I think b/f turn without the Ah would be best. There's still value to be had. He has plenty of worse pairs and plenty of draws. And the turn has developed a bunch of his worse made hands and a bunch of draws into pair + draws, combo draws, etc. that are giving us value. I would definitely want to target a bet size that makes me not cry too much when I fold and that also leaves some decent (say 2/3 pot) bet left on the river, where I think the best plan would be check/fold. Again, I'm ranging the guy mostly on pairs, pairs + turned draws, and some draws (and hands that beat us), and I expect him to check behind the river almost always with worse made hands, and I'm not totally convinced we get 3 streets against a worse pair on a turn board that brings in flushes and straights. We're susceptible to a few bluffs when we c/f rivers, but let's not level ourselves too much there.

For your second question - no. If we were much deeper stacked, we'd fold to a turn raise even with the Ah. I don't know exactly how deep we'd need to be to b/f with the naked Ah, but you can think through some scenarios and consider our likely equity against raising ranges. The 6c completes a straight and a flush, but there's still a ton of value to be had, so betting for value is absolutely the right play. If he plays back at us with a raise, our pot equity is about as bad as it can be and we have no fold equity, so at a certain stack size, we give up. Of course, it's really about the ratios among bet size, pot size and stacks behind, because when we're very, very deep, we might actually have implied odds to call, though that's not very likely.

V just put in half his stack on a very thick turn card. That's disgusting. As much as I'd like to believe I could fold here I would probably call. The Ah would blind me. Heck, I'd probably shove on him. TPTK+ nfd? I'm all-in!

In all seriousness his bet is super strong. Do you think V is capable of representing a flush as a bluff? He sure played it like a flush draw would.

I usually lead this turn and look to get it in with my redraw. The only way I'm checking is to check raise if he's obviously preloading a bet, or if he's a known bluffer that'll try to pounce on my perceived weakness, neither of which I see in OP. I don't like calling passive players' bets in most spots and I wouldn't hate on a fold AP too hard here.