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05-28-2017 , 01:19 PM
I'm pretty sure I messed up this hand at some point, probably on the flop or turn.

The villain in this hand is a quiet 30s white guy with a few tattoos, I get the vibe he's a casual/amateur player and likely a small loser long term.

About an hour into a new table which has been really tame so far:

BTN limps, Hero ($325) in sb raises to $10 with AK, BB (~$300) and BTN call.

($10 is lower than I would normally go here, but I felt like making it $12 or $15 would get folds at least 80% of the time)

Flop ($30) - AKJ

Hero bets $15, BB very quickly raises to $75, BTN folds, Hero calls?

The sizing really confused me here. I felt like the BB could have a range of hearts, QT, AK, AJ, KJ, and JJ. Against that range, I thought calling was best to keep in the hands I'm beating and allow my opponent to keep betting worse 2 pairs.

Anyone simply 3-bet shove the flop here?


Turn ($180) - AKJ9

Hero checks, BB quickly bets $75. Hero calls.

River ($330) - AKJ9J

Hero checks, BB quickly shoves $130. Hero I tank for a minute or so and say "I'm trying to figure out what you have man". BB seems mildly annoyed and says "That would make the game easy, wouldn't it?"

Hero?
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05-28-2017 , 01:34 PM
OOP with AK I'm happy to take it down preflop. Besides, BTN won't fold as much as you expect after limping BTN. I would raise to $15.

Flop is ugly and your bet is a bit too small. Anybody willing to stick around probably has a pretty good draw against you. I would go $20. I would want to know more about villain when he raises this flop. This flop smacks your SB raising range but the dynamic is weird when BTN limps. How aggressive is he pre and post flop? Does he play different out of the blinds or in small pots? Any semi-bluffs, does he barrel bluffs? Really anything concrete about his play style.

My initial inclination is that you hand is too good to give up on flop but when villain continues small on the turn after the most obvious draw gets there I would probably fold. This is highly villain dependent and I might give up flop. I'm not ever calling river unless villain is a very aggro bluffer, some weird bluff with KQ/AQ is all you beat at that point.
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05-28-2017 , 02:16 PM
^^^ what quad said

EBF turn considering how strong his range has to be to do this after you raised a limped pot from the sb.

AP you'd be far better off shoving river than ck-c but it's pretty much just a ck-f.
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05-28-2017 , 02:22 PM
While raising bigger pre is definitely preferable to avoid this spot I think the real question in this hand comes down to the flop. AP I believe the turn should be a fold. Given the action pre it doesn't seem too likely villain's range includes some of the hands you're suggesting. JJ AK and AJ should reasonably re raise pre. Combos of QT QK JK JT 9T possibly with hearts seem like more likely hands that call pre rather than re raise and then raise flop. It's certainly correct that this range includes worse two pairs, strong draws, and occasionally the nuts. In the moment people might consider calling rather than getting it in not just because we want to keep worse hands in but because we also don't know if we're getting it in against hands we dominate, if we're flipping or if we're dominated as BB range could reasonably include all possibities. If we gii can we get calleed by worse? Probably. Otherwise were slightly ahead in flips or 20% to win against the nuts. Can anyone advocate for jamming flop here? I think we lose alot of the time when we take this line, but I get that it still may be the best option.

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05-29-2017 , 03:44 AM
Raise more pre. Ship the flop. You got outs against QT, you crush everything else, he is likely raising with FD/ pair + gutshot (KQ, QJ, JT, maybe AQ) / maybe a 2 pair that you crush (KJ, maybe AJ).

He didnt limp/call with JJ/KK/AA, if he did he really really sucks and oh well.
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05-29-2017 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomark
Raise more pre. Ship the flop. You got outs against QT, you crush everything else, he is likely raising with FD/ pair + gutshot (KQ, QJ, JT, maybe AQ) / maybe a 2 pair that you crush (KJ, maybe AJ).

He didnt limp/call with JJ/KK/AA, if he did he really really sucks and oh well.

Yep, I think this is probably the best line. I should have at least folded the turn.
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05-29-2017 , 10:12 AM
Results:

Spoiler:
Results: Hero folds river and says "I'm probably making a bad fold". Villain still seems irritated/impatient and says "yep you probably are". Villain then claims he had AK which is hard to believe.

After seeing him play for the next 3 hours, he was only betting with strong hands (2pr/trips+), but playing extremely loose/passive preflop. I think his most likely hand was QhTx
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