Effective stack ~$200

Hero - SB; V - BB;

UTG calls. CO calls. Hero raises to 12; V calls, UTG calls; CO calls

Flop ($60) TJ7r

Hero bets $35. V raises to $117. Folds around to hero. Hero?

Reads: BB is standard bad LAG who will bet any piece of the flop. This more than likely can be anything from OESD, set, 2P, TP, etc. Right?

Calling the raise seems awful as we're left with $70 and there are a lot of turn cards that will create problems for us. If we call the flop raise, we've committed ourselves to the pot so we'll have to call begrudgingly when he puts the rest in on the turn.

Shoving seems to be better than calling but we essentially have zero FE here and once called I feel we're either behind or against hands that have a decent amount of equity against our hand. Even if we had FE, I'm not sure I'd want him to fold as he's capable of stacking off with less than TPTK.

Folding seems as bad as calling against this type of player but I'm not too comfortable stacking off with TPTK either.

These are some of the spots I'm uncomfortable with since returning to the game. So, is this just a spot where I have to get comfortable again with just stacking off. Or, am I over playing my hand in these types of spots, results notwithstanding?

This is as close as it gets as far as raising from the small. I'd just complete. If you do raise it NEEDS to be big enough to only get 1 caller and err on the larger side to get 0 callers. I'd make it at least 20 if I chose to raise.

AP, shove.

Pretty easy fold. Best case scenario is we are flipping with KQ, 60/40 against Q9, and chopping against AJ.

That's as close as I'll get in the SB. I wasn't happy with my pf bet sizing in this hand.

Ummm gii vs a straight draw is not flipping and would be +ev and correct to do so.

Vs described villain and with your stack size I'm shoving here. Plenty of hands in his range that you're ahead of.

Obv raise more pre.

its a read dependent play

if he makes bad raises on this kind of board then get it in

in a vaccum is prob fold>shove>call

also, why raise this in SB? was the table loose?

14-18 pre. What makes you say V is lag bad?

It's not a literal flip obviously but seeing as how this is best case scenario and worst case scenario is we are crushed then we should be folding.

There's a big difference between 60/40 and 50/50.

Hands that were crushing in villains range: KJ, QJ, J9, J8.

Pretty weak tight to avoid a 60/40 spot with 75bbs.

Pretty optimistic to think KJ and QJ play the hand this way. We also crush 22, want to include that in his range?

How about the hands that are crushing us like JJ, TT, 77, 89, JT? Whats our equity look like there?

Is this ILCD or maybe his brother? Pretty similar thought process...

Stoved the hand and you're 45% against all hands that include TPGK+, KQ, Q9, 98 and all two pair combos.

My thing is this, would you think he'd play QJ and KJ like this? If you think that's true then I'd push. Your hand vs KQ and Q9 is 55%.

I just automatically threw out JJ and TT. A true lag is three betting those preflop.

Actually, it is somewhat close because of the odds we're getting now. Could go either way with it. Worst case scenario is we're breaking even on a shove against value hands and open enders. Best case scenario is he also does this with pair + gutters and dominated Jx.

Obv our equity is horrible vs sets and 89...

I don't think kj, qj is optimistic at all. Since when do live low stakes "lag" players have really tight gii ranges with 100 bb stacks?

22... cmon daniel... obviously ridiculous. Kj/qj and random jx trash hands are realistic, 22 is not.

I'm just saying for him to have KJ and QJ here would be pretty rare in my games. Even bad lags realize that's WA/WB.

All in all, because the pot is already bloated I think we are getting good enough odds to stack off although I'm not thrilled about it.