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02-01-2014 , 05:30 PM
Villain: (360) previous hand I raised to 12 with AK and v called. Flop came A 6 7. I checked, he bet out. I call. Turn came 7, I check call pot sized bet. We check down river and he shows A6 and is pissed. He had been very aggressive when checked to and seems to be competent. I have seen him chase flush draw twice and raise flop once with it. He is noticeably still mad from the last hand.

Hero( covers)
Next hand I get AdAhon button, v limps utg, one caller, i raise to 15, v calls and another calls.

Flop (40) Qd 5d 7c
Checks to me, I bet 30, V insta raises to 105, other guy folds. V has about 240 left.

Hero?
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02-01-2014 , 05:37 PM
Jam.

He is calling the diamond draw and prob even with Q-anything.

If he folds to the jam now he will fold to a shove on the turn anyways (which would be pretty much your only option if flatting the flop + giving him another card)
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02-01-2014 , 06:20 PM
With me having the A of diamonds, does this discount some of his flush draws? What can he call with that I beat besides flush draws?
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02-02-2014 , 02:00 AM
He could have Aq/kq

The board makes it hard for him to have 2p.
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02-02-2014 , 05:31 AM
V limps UTG - and you think he's got squat?

I've seen tons of steaming LAGs trying to trap after they've lost a pot.
QQ, 55 and 77 is totally in his range. 5,7s as well... although it's tough to flop 2 pair - and unusual to limp call with that UTG.

The only hands you're beating are 8,6s & 4,6s which is often what LAG like to reraise with.

There's a slight possibility that he has AQ and thinks you're c-betting with AK again. But in that situation, I think he'd just check/call.
The fact that he was sharp enough to check the river in your last hand leads me to believe that he's a thinking player (and he's betting you with the best hand).

I don't see how you can call here.
Even POed players make a hand.
I'd lay it down and move on.
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02-03-2014 , 10:33 PM
One for jam, one for fold. I couldn't see V doing this with too many Qx hands unless it was from pure tilt. Steaming I could see him doing this with flush draws and sets.

So is this an easy fold?
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02-03-2014 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by NoReads TimeToJam
So is this an easy fold?
Depends entirely on how tilted villain is. This is just something you have to learn to read at the table. There are villains I snap call here because they will jam any pair, any draw and some bluffs when tilted. Against a nit who doesn't tilt this is an easy fold. You could easily be anywhere from way ahead of his range to way behind his range.

Villain seems fairly competent, so I'm not putting him on significant tilt after losing a single hand. The only hand he likely has here that you really beat is AQ, the rest of his range is sets, two pair and draws with a trivial chance of a bluff. The UTG limp/call weighs his range towards sets. Without any history, I'm think I find a fold here unless I'm really reading villain as tilting.
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02-03-2014 , 11:13 PM
Fist pump shove. If he flopped a set give him the money.
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02-03-2014 , 11:28 PM
Gii
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02-03-2014 , 11:40 PM
I think jamming flop is pretty standard. This is no time to start ranging him for just sets. He could have plenty of other hands that we dominate. If you are going to fold AA to aggression from heated villan may as well get up and leave.

I think we lose to 55 or 77 and crush everything else. This guy is never limp calling QQ. If he is calling with crap pre then need to raise more preflop.
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02-03-2014 , 11:58 PM
totally fold, you like never beat anything here.
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02-04-2014 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DrewTheHead
totally fold, you like never beat anything here.
Was that a joke?

Ship it in
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02-04-2014 , 03:23 AM
Upon second thought - he could have a lot of pp's that we beat such as KK and JJ - and he thinks we whiffed the flop - or he may think we've got AQ and his KK is good.

Better minds than mine might encourage you to "click it back" - meaning make it +100 to him and see how he reacts. It's a super strong move and one that would make him fold anything but sets.

I guess in your mind, you're thinking he could do this with KdJd or such hands because he's pissed and wants revenge.

But I've made the mistake of underestimating a tilted player on a crappy board like this and getting felted with my overpair. The "insta-raise" tells me he was planning this move before you even bet. Now, is this because he's on tilt? Or really has a better hand? It's hard to tell...

I'm a nit. If you don't want to click it back, then I'd fold.
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02-04-2014 , 03:25 AM
call, get it in on any turn

jamming will fold out his bluffs and weak Q's in my opinion

call to rep a wider raneg and keep his wider range in play
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02-04-2014 , 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty313
call, get it in on any turn

jamming will fold out his bluffs and weak Q's in my opinion

call to rep a wider raneg and keep his wider range in play
yesss.

Why are there so many jam or fold posts on here? If we had two black aces, i'm call-getting it in on non-diamond turns. Considering we have the Ad, i'm call getting it in on any turn.

His range absolutely includes Qx and we want to keep that in, not fold it out by jamming.
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02-04-2014 , 04:40 AM
People don't fold Qx with the FD out there when they already have 100 in. They just sigh call it off.
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02-04-2014 , 11:50 AM
calling might be marginally better then a shove to extract more value, but I really don't think it makes a huge difference because I don't think he is folding much with stacks being pretty shallow. Just do anything but fold (yes, obviously a joke before).
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02-04-2014 , 01:58 PM
We get c/r on a Q57 board by an UTG limping v who is "noticeably still mad" and people want to fold an overpair? You guys just setmining with aces?
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02-04-2014 , 04:45 PM
grunch: shove

against a tilting villain i think this makes it easier. if he flopped a set or a very unlikely 2 pair give him the money. more likely i think he's flat-out bluffing or is on a draw and i'd like to make him pay for draws.

honestly i could see arguments for everything here though. you can go into call-down mode if you heavily weight bluffing or steam-rolling any Q.

you could fold and wait for better than 1 pair. but this board isn't all that scary regardless of villain.

if villain wasn't tilting i'd be trying to figure out if he would make such a bet on a draw and may just fold against certain villains. but if he's steaming i'm pretty sure i'm jamming.
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02-04-2014 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by HiroNakamara
Upon second thought - he could have a lot of pp's that we beat such as KK and JJ - and he thinks we whiffed the flop - or he may think we've got AQ and his KK is good.

Better minds than mine might encourage you to "click it back" - meaning make it +100 to him and see how he reacts. It's a super strong move and one that would make him fold anything but sets.

I guess in your mind, you're thinking he could do this with KdJd or such hands because he's pissed and wants revenge.

But I've made the mistake of underestimating a tilted player on a crappy board like this and getting felted with my overpair. The "insta-raise" tells me he was planning this move before you even bet. Now, is this because he's on tilt? Or really has a better hand? It's hard to tell...

I'm a nit. If you don't want to click it back, then I'd fold.
Youre absolutely terrible. Jam and dance
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02-04-2014 , 08:07 PM
Jam, or call then call jam on turn
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02-04-2014 , 08:37 PM
Limp/call could easily mean some suited hand, and insta-raises usually means he's drawing. Normally I'd lean towards just calling to keep his bluffs and weak Queens in, but if you really think he's steaming and will call with any draw, then just ship it. If he trapped you with a set, give the man his moneiz.

Also, you butchered the first AK hand...
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02-05-2014 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand
Youre absolutely terrible. Jam and dance
Is it better to stack off on the flop with AA or KK every time you get them?
Or make a good read, fold and lose the minimum?
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02-05-2014 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by HiroNakamara
Is it better to stack off on the flop with AA or KK every time you get them?
Or make a good read, fold and lose the minimum?
with these stack sizes, i would rather jam every time with AA/KK on such a board texture than even trying to get reads...
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02-05-2014 , 09:36 AM
I assume we are just ignoring Beluga theory there?

Someone want to give me a range of hands that we are beating here?

Just curious.
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