Three hours into session, HERO and Villain have been sitting together the entire time and seem to notice how one other are playing.

HERO ($600) - 23 year old, male, regular grinder. Been very aggressive pre-flop over the last hour or so, and have felted two players with top two pair and nut flush within that timeframe. Table isn't offering much resistance.

Villain 1 ($550) - 70 years old and then some, solid 'rock type' player, haven't seen him do anything out of the ordinary. TPTK might as well be a monster to him, would never fold it. But, haven't seen him go for value raises, as he seems content just winning whatever you bet, thus had been check/calling all of his showdown hands.

Villain 2 ($200) - Just sat down a few minutes ago, no reads.

UTG limps, folds to HERO in UTG+2, holding AA. Hero raises to $12.

V2 calls in CO, V1 calls in SB. BB folds. UTG limper folds.

Flop ($40) 28K

V1 checks, HERO bets $22, V2 folds, V1 calls.

Turn ($84) 10

V1 checks, HERO checks

River ($84) 8

V1 bets $55, Hero ???

I know it's not a big bet, or even a big pot. But the only reason I'm even posting this, is because this player, has yet to take an aggressive line in this session.

He has been extremely passive and has let other players do the betting for him, happy to just check/call most streets.

His bet on the river is completely out of character and I'm wondering if I call here, how often am I shown a losing hand? I don't think he would lead with a K here...

Any insight/thoughts would be appreciated and then I will post results later.

Turn is very easy bet and I'd value click river barring some insane nitty read but even per your read its at least a call.

You need to be betting the turn...no idea why you're checking here...

As played, I'd go for a small value raise on the river considering how underrepped your hand is on the river. If he raises back then it's an easy fold....

Agree that most time I'm betting turn here without much thought, but against this player/and these types of players, I tend to go into a shell and just want to get to showdown.

Against loose, terrible players, I'll fire this turn and river no problem, but against old, station-y, rocks, I just find myself shutting down more often than not, either winning the minimum or losing the minimum.

Thoughts on this "phenomenon" are appreciated as well...

Bet the turn please.

As played, I just call. I'm not a fan of raise/folding the river to a nit.

Had we bet the turn, we can safely raise/call the river.

You're logic is flawed....the rock/station type players that only raise when they have the nuts are the precise players you should be taking to value town. Point of this game is to get maximum value from your hands....not simply win the pot.

Do you really think he's folding KJ on the turn? Bet is mandatory.

Given your read, I guess just calling the river is okay. Usually a raise after playing it so strangely. But I'm not sure why you're so confident he can't have Kx here, our hand looks like QQ at best.

I dont mind checking the Turn against 'this' opponent. And as we find out V doesn't care that board paired and fires out a value bet. I find very few OMS that bet into a paired board here with less than AK, certainly not KJ-

I really think V wanted to c/r Turn, but didn't get the chance. Surprised he didnt bet out with strt and flush card coming out, but V description indicates that this is not a betting spot for him.

I am calling here yes, but I'm not surprised that I'm beat a lot. Like everyone elses, I'm just not happy to get beat by 98s!!

Is there lost value, yes. Both an Turn and min-raising the River against 'standard' opponents. This guy is not calling our raise unless we are beat or he has 'exactly' AK. GL

This was the main reason I checked the turn. Was okay "losing value" if you will, by keeping the pot small.

But then again, this makes sense at the same time.

If you have some sort of soul read on him and you're telling us a hand where he had some sort of nutted hand...well great...not a good thread to be posting.

In general, you are losing value by not betting the turn...you should not be checking here for pot control against this type of villain. This is simply a mistake unless you're plan of action was to check the turn to disguise your hand to allow him to bet on the river......

Reason I posted this hand in particular was because this was against a player who plays extremely, extremely tight and rarely carries on with hands past the flop without superior holdings.

While I may be wrong here this isn't the type of player we want to be building a pot against, unless we are nutted or near nutted.

I understand we have an over pair, but against a player like this, how often is that good?

Not trying to argue, just trying to get an idea about how to play against these players in the future as there are a handful of them at every LLSNL table.

Can we change our lines of actions against certain types of players? and what's the most effective way to go about that, that doesn't leave you stacking off in situations like this...?

1) will villain call with KJ if you bet turn?
2) are you capable of folding if villain c/r?
3) are there more combos of monsters or hands we're ahead of in villain's flop calling range?

I understand your logic to check turn but don't agree with it, if he's not aggressive then you don't have to be worried about getting check raised and blown off your hand so keeping the pot small doesn't make a whole lot of sense, can't just shut down when an OMC calls a C-bet when you have an overpair to the board, your betting for value, why can't he have AK or Kx here?

If he checks river then fire another value bet. If he's gonna check call you all the way with flopped set then idk what to say other than he's horrible.

1. Probably.
2. Leaning more towards yes.
3. Hands that I'm ahead of, as only sets beat me at that point.

His range on flop is definitely sets and AK KQ KJ (nothing worse).

With that being said, checking turn is (now I'm realizing) losing value in this spot.

Anyway...

Like everyone has told you, checking turn is bad. If he has a hard time folding TP I'm probably betting like pot. We have an OP.

How long have we been playing with V?

We shouldnt fear a c/r from straightforward nit. When we are way ahead/way behind like we are here we have an easy fold to his turn raise and we lose the same as if we had called a river bet. Against a nits range here we have a good enough hand to go for 3 streets.