V(covers) BTN: 40's, black, 2 earbuds in, no history as I've been at the table for about 30 minutes max..

Hero($300) UTG: 21, white, beanie, chopped one hand where I raised KJ from HJ and checked it down from a bb caller who called with KJ As well. Only hand V has seen, not even sure if he's aware. Onto the hand.

Hero dealt A A raise 12, folds to V who calls, table folds its HU.

Flop Q85 Hero leads for 20$ V QUICKLY calls.

Turn 8 Hero bets 55$ V raises to 120$, standard shove here against unknown V??

He's only raising hands that beat you here. You have about 210 behind. I don't think shoving is the right play.

rofl, don't bring "race" into the twoplustwo forums, I have never had anyone say anything when I say V is "65+ white, nit, glasses" Just giving a basic description of V.

I'm not the one bringing race into it. Maybe if it was a stoned Rastafarian it would influence the hand. Anyway what range do you put villain on? If he quickly calls the flop and raises the turn he has to have better than AA here. No real draws possible and its doubtful he has air. If he has AQ he probably flats turn bet.

I call this after waiting for a minute. In tough spots like these I will start talking with villain and guess his hand, like you have trips huh? Then get a read and go with it. Or maybe like so sick because I have aces and analyze his reaction.

'Standard' ??

Against unknowns with little reads you need to ABC hands. Are you shoving to get a fold or shoving to get called? You are also an unknown to your opponent as well .. why would he call you with worse? KQ/AQ? Did he really slow play KK or is he on a flush draw with QcXc. This is a pretty decent range of hands to go with any 8x hand he may have.

There are 2 things here ... the insta-call on Flop and the min-raise on Turn ... that should tell you that he really wants to be in this hand and isnt going anyway IMO.

If you have no intention of folding to any River anyway, then coming over the top of a $300 pot with your last $150 here is a good way to go. You are giving 3 to 1 to call any flush/strt combo draws.

You are either a 70% favorite or a 5% dawg here. How much does QQ or an 8x make up his range ... we dont really know, but we do know he's calling as he just called a PSB with a min-raise. Without reads I think you have to go with it here but I don't have a good feeling about it .. GL

Results Hero shoves, V snap calls with AQ.

I don't know, maybe instead of thinking about his race and age we should've been paying more attention to how he likes to play poker.

Obv race and age has stuff to do with it with no reads.
If it's an 80 y.o. white guy he's going to play different from a 21 y.o. asian guy.

I think you have to get it in here tbh. He'll have 8x or sets some of the time but I think he'll have a lot of QXcc and KQ/AQ to make it + EV.

Please don't post results so early if you want any more discussion on the hand.

Put in results kind of fast but this was a ai definitely. Any Q, KK is doing this. An 8 probably won't because that would be the best way to play an 8x hand and having the ability to hand read Hero such that it'd b tough for him to fold. I'm not giving a black guy that much credit. Yeah, because he's black. I'm not saying other races would only raise here with trips, but black guys are just bad at poker, so unknown, go with that. And I'm a white guy with only black friends.

I didn't want to post them so early, but the thread fell of and I figured it was okay to just bump it with the results. Probably should've just bumped it with some other nonsense comment :P. It really irks me that people are saying 'stop focusing on age / race' how do you analyze someone when you first sit down at a table if you aren't paying attention to race / age without seeing them play any poker ??????? I didn't put him on calling my flop bet with an 8, and with no draws out there.. nothing else makes sense except for Qx or the rare KK, but he isn't gonna flat me with KK most likely preflop or even QQ.. 55 is realistically the only thing I could see beating me here and again normal 1/2 rec players are going to overvalue their top pair.. Figured it was a fairly standard shove on that board. Thanks for the input

why is a call bad on the turn?

Cool story bro.

Standard fold vs unknown. There aren't many draw so villains range is weighted towards 8x and fh. Average villains are rarely taking this line as a complete bluff.

I'm more offended by Hero's beanie than any race comments.

If you did any analysis you didn't share it with us!!!!!!!