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1/2 - AA , should I lure? 1/2 - AA , should I lure?

05-11-2014 , 09:12 AM
Hero - young asian hoodie player, doubled up stack from $150 to $300 earlier hitting a higher straight.

Villain - 45 yr old white guy, wearing sunglasses and headphones, $400 stack, winning TAG player image, hasn't being out of line or bluffing hard or anything.

Short stacker fish in MP with $30 all ins, Villain on my right , calls, Hero on dealer with AA calls? re-raise or all in ?


I have $300 stack and he has $400 stack, should i all in at this spot? I think i would lure kings to call only if i did that, if i re-raise, what if the short stack fish hits some lucky cards and gets both of our money?
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05-11-2014 , 09:20 AM
The short stack can't win more than his stack from either of you.
This also depends on other factors like how big the short stacks stack actually is, like can he reopen the betting if you raise and he shoves?

Also what did the main villain raise to? What are his post flop tendencies? Will he barrel off or slow down if you're calling?
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05-11-2014 , 09:36 AM
there is 60 dollars in the pot, no, you should not all in, the short stack is irrelevant at this point and you have him crushed. calling in position with aces, should under rep the hand here, giving other villain no information and his range should be capped at 1010- and aq-, IMHO, then you can play perfectly
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05-11-2014 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JackInDaCrak
The short stack can't win more than his stack from either of you.
This also depends on other factors like how big the short stacks stack actually is, like can he reopen the betting if you raise and he shoves?

Also what did the main villain raise to? What are his post flop tendencies? Will he barrel off or slow down if you're calling?
Did you even read OP?

Shorty is all in for $30 and main V ($400) flats from CO. Hero has decision with AA on BU.
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05-11-2014 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by kenshi3
Hero - young asian hoodie player, doubled up stack from $150 to $300 earlier hitting a higher straight.

Villain - 45 yr old white guy, wearing sunglasses and headphones, $400 stack, winning TAG player image, hasn't being out of line or bluffing hard or anything.

Short stacker fish in MP with $30 all ins, Villain on my right , calls, Hero on dealer with AA calls? re-raise or all in ?


I have $300 stack and he has $400 stack, should i all in at this spot? I think i would lure kings to call only if i did that, if i re-raise, what if the short stack fish hits some lucky cards and gets both of our money?
Hero raises to $95, V folds... Now Hero is a 4-1 favorite against any random hand from shorty. Enjoy the $60.

OR- Hero raises to $95 and V calls. The flop is xxx. V checks, Hero moves all in for $205. V calls/folds. Enjoy the now even larger pot that is most likely shipping your way.

OR- Hero raises to $95 and V calls. The flop is xxx. V moves all in. Hero calls...

OR- Hero raises to $95 and V moves all in. Hero calls...

See what I'm doing here? You have possibly the greatest squeeze spot you're ever going to see at a 1-2 game anywhere while you're holding the nuts. You need to make a raise that will commit you and your opponent by the flop. Not every flop is perfect, but that is almost inconsequential after our 3b pre. Make it $95-$100 and get the monies in on the flop.
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05-11-2014 , 10:19 AM
You left out the scenario where hero flats, v stacks off with JJ on an 8 hi flop that he would have folded to heros 3 bet. I think raising to 75 is best, but there is merit to considering flatting here since vs range is face up as 99-QQ/AK/AQs and we have position.
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05-11-2014 , 10:38 AM
Stack sizes and a competent villain make this a bad situation for flatting. On the flop the pot will be $90 and you have $270 left. Your going to have a hard time folding if villain bets/raises but villain is unlikely to stack off unless he does beat you. I would raise to $75 here, you don't need to go too big to kill villain's odds here.

Basically, you don't want to see any flops where you put in 1/10th of your stack preflop with a big pair. Your putting villains in too good of a situation to set mine against you, SPR is too small for you to get away from your hand easily but villain is going to know you have a big hand. This is worse then usual because the shove has bloated the pot making SPR even lower and the protected pot is going to make villain even more wary of stacking off with one pair.
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05-11-2014 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Koss
You left out the scenario where hero flats, v stacks off with JJ on an 8 hi flop that he would have folded to heros 3 bet. I think raising to 75 is best, but there is merit to considering flatting here since vs range is face up as 99-QQ/AK/AQs and we have position.
Not sure if serious. You really think V is folding JJ to a button squeeze against a short stack all in and CO flat? If he is, then we can absolutely abuse him in future hands. Just 3b him relentlessly and print money.
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05-11-2014 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ShowdownValue
Did you even read OP?

Shorty is all in for $30 and main V ($400) flats from CO. Hero has decision with AA on BU.
No need to be a dick. Ops broken English was confusing. Enjoy your life.
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05-11-2014 , 11:07 AM
I raise to 75, llsnl players can't fold to almost min 3bet. You want to play for stacks in this spot and you have the best hand to do it.
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05-11-2014 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JackInDaCrak
No need to be a dick. Ops broken English was confusing. Enjoy your life.
I suppose I was a little out of line there. I apologize. Your thoughts on the hand would be valuable though. It seems flatting is OP's worst option, so what do you think is the best sizing for a 3b here? I personally want to raise larger to set up a less than psb on the flop to gii.
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05-11-2014 , 11:55 AM
Given PF raise to $30, this makes stack sizes here a little awkward...now playing like a short stacked 2/5 game. If games were deeper then I believe there'd be more reason to flat but given current situation, I'm 3 betting to $75. Bet flop $85...all in on turn. Easy game.....
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05-11-2014 , 12:50 PM
Our hand is so strong that we are going to be stacking off on any flop. So I would be raising here for value from the other big stack. I'd personally go $100, but as long as it's least $75, it's fine.
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05-11-2014 , 03:22 PM
I agree with earlier posters ITT: from my point of view it is criminal to not 3 bet preflop here.

1) We want to get more money in preflop while we are miles ahead of anything he holds.

2) We want to reraise preflop to kill his odds of calling with any speculative hand and lower the stack pot ratio so we can comfortably stack off on any flop.

3) We want to reraise so the betting opens up again: giving villain an opportunity to either call our 3 bet or even better shove on us if i has a hand he wants to go with or if he level himself to think we make a move on the button. Maybe he flatted shortys allin with a hand like AK or QQ to trap people behind him: you never know.


Only good things can happen to us if we raise here and just flatting really is a disaster.
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05-11-2014 , 03:27 PM
This really just depends on if you think v folds to 3 bets from you a high percentage of the time or not...

But mostly raising
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05-11-2014 , 03:32 PM
Luring implies turning our miles ahead PF holding into a setmine operation.

Raising here 100% of the time.
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