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11-04-2013 , 11:19 AM
1/2 at the sands pa. villain appears taggish in 1st hour at table. 300 effective.
hero has AA in sb. villain utg limps, folds to hero who raises to 15, bb folds villain calls.
flop 3 6 7 rainbow hero bets 25 and is called.
turn 3 hero bets 50 and is raised to 125. hero ???

I give the villain a range of pp's probably up to jacks, missed overs and some suited connectors.
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11-04-2013 , 11:26 AM
If his range can really include missed overs at all... Then this is the easiest shove ever. But you describe him as TAGish, would he be raising the turn with air here? Even over pairs up to jacks? If he is truly TAGish he may only be raising now that he has filled up.
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11-04-2013 , 11:35 AM
I would fold. we really only beat bluffs. Even if he would raise a hand like JJ here, he is unlikely to have limped UTG with it. I don't think he raises something like 88.

Was the turn the same suit as one of the three flop cards? If it was there are significantly more potential bluff combos in his range and it gets closer to a call. But probably still a fold given the typical LLSNL player's inability to bluff in this spot with a relatively weak float turned into a combo draw.
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11-04-2013 , 11:47 AM
Second 3 did match one of the suits.
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11-04-2013 , 01:00 PM
I don't think he's raising with a flush draw on the turn. However he could have an overpair, or flopped a set and filled up, has 45, or he has a 3 and is seeing "where he's at". You continued betting the turn so you are telling the villian you have a hand, and he pretty much min-raised you. I think he would be more likely to call you down with an overpair.

Some people will bluff when the board pairs, so it will depend heavily on the villian if we're going to continue. To an unknown in 1/2 I am throwing them away.
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11-04-2013 , 01:08 PM
I am just going to grunt and fold here. Without a solid read that he can float and repop here he almost always has a boat.
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11-04-2013 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TNTravis
If his range can really include missed overs at all... Then this is the easiest shove ever.
U mean the easiest call ever... Why do u want him to fold all the bluffs in his range and be up against a narrower range?

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11-04-2013 , 02:23 PM
He would have to completely over value his medium strength hands and be capable of floating and making moves on later streets to assign him a range like that.
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11-04-2013 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by playertee
U mean the easiest call ever... Why do u want him to fold all the bluffs in his range and be up against a narrower range?

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Valid point, wasn't really thinking that a typical villain could really have missed overs in his range here anyway.
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11-04-2013 , 02:55 PM
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If his range can really include missed overs at all... Then this is the easiest shove ever.
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U mean the easiest call ever... Why do u want him to fold all the bluffs in his range and be up against a narrower range? <br />
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If you call how do you play the river?
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11-04-2013 , 02:57 PM
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U mean the easiest call ever... Why do u want him to fold all the bluffs in his range and be up against a narrower range? <br />
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If you call how do you play the river?
If this is his range, I'll definitely call the river... Not saying I agree with the range myself.
As played I think I call... The 3 makes it less likely he has a set... I think he could easily play TT like that and thinks he's trapping

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11-04-2013 , 07:00 PM
Need more V description. 66 and 77 shouldn't raise because the pair on board makes them the nuts basically, but some people will play it slow, some can't contain themselves and will only bet big when their hands are big. I know guys who will flop a set on a 27J rainbow board and c/r massive and say something like "Had to protect my set, you could have had 89 and hit the gutshot ott then I'd hate myself for letting you get there."
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11-04-2013 , 07:25 PM
At first I didn't think this would be a FH but it could be a FH looking to get more money in before the river. If he just calls the $50 and you check river then effective is $210 and the pot is $180. And if you have 99/TT/JJ there's plenty of river scare cards for you that you might check fold to a $210 bet.

33-66-77 definitely in his limp calling range.

I used to level myself in spots like this all the time. I'd put hands in his range that he could have to be making a play on me - oh AK can't win so now he's making a play - oh 89s can't win so now it's making a play. And it never ends up being a play it just ends up being nutty hands - unless he's an internet wizard (active player you've seen making moves).

Turn raises are strong from every player. Until he gives you reason to not think his turn raise is strong you should believe that he is strong.
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11-05-2013 , 09:59 AM
I really felt he had either an overpair to the board or full house. Once I decided to continue in the hand ( and I tanked ) I didn't think calling was a good option. Do I lead a blank river ( stop and go ) or check and allow him to check behind a hand I beat? I went with an allin. It seems from the discussion that this is the worse action.

Villain was a twenty something kid and definitely agro enough to make moves. That makes me an old fart.
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