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05-27-2013 , 11:51 PM
This is probably not even threadworthy but I just want to see if there are any differing opinions out there wrt how to play the turn.

V1 just sat down an orbit or two ago. Asian, mid 30's, bought in for the full amount. Has $310 to start the hand.

V2 has been spazzing out for several hours. Making some ambitious calls, stacking off in really marginal spots (calling an overshove against a tight player with a naked 9 hi flush draw and other similar ****ery). Has about $150.

Hero: TAG image (although it doesn't matter because V1 hasn't been around long enough to see and V2 probably doesn't notice, let alone care), female, late 20's.

Hero is the SB with A A

V1 raises to $10 from utg+2
V2 calls from the button
Hero raises to $35
V1 calls
V2 calls

Flop: J 6 2 ($107)

Hero leads for $80
V1 calls
V2 tank folds

Turn: Q ($261 after rake)

Hero???

This is kind of a wonky turn card IMO because villain is going to have Jx here an awful lot. It's usually not going to be J x because you'd think he'd raise the flop there. But it's going to be QJ sometimes. And disgustingly enough, it's going to be QQ sometimes, too. Or JJ, for that matter. If we shove, the only thing he calls with that we beat is likely AJ. We're in awful shape against the rest of his calling range, so shoving seems questionable. But checking here, either to c/c or c/f, just seems infinitely worse.
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05-27-2013 , 11:57 PM
Sorry, forgot to say hero has $500 to start the hand. Can't seem to edit the OP for some reason.
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05-28-2013 , 12:02 AM
JJ should raise the flop so I would discount it some. QQ prob does too. QJ is what I'm worried about most. I might bet a little thinner than a shove to set up for river shove if non diamond. Maybe $250.
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05-28-2013 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DeepStack bMAC
JJ should raise the flop so I would discount it some. QQ prob does too. QJ is what I'm worried about most. I might bet a little thinner than a shove to set up for river shove if non diamond. Maybe $250.
Yeah but villain only has $195 left...
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05-28-2013 , 12:19 AM
Checking is awful imo as it lets diamond draws/one pair hands see a free card. You also have the Ad so that removes some of the flush draws from his range. I think you may be ovestimating the reulctance of someone with a J to put more money in the pot when the Q comes. You could have AK here.

It looks like he has a little under $200 left. Id bet like $100-120 to get value out of any draws and stubborn Js. He may have hit with the Qd as well. I'm not checking the turn and I'm calling a shove over my bet. I agree with your reasoning that not much calls a shove that you beat, so I'd just bet less than all-in. At this point, you are committed so I wouldn't fold at any point.
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05-28-2013 , 12:31 AM
Grunch

Villain has 190 left.

Shoving here is best in my opinion.
He isn't folding KJdd, J10dd, or KQdd. There could be other flush draws in his range as well depending on the player. Typically Asians like to gamble as well based on stereotypes. Against two pair, you still have 16-20% equity. Since I figure that's the worst we could be up against, I'm moving in here.

If he's calling 120/130, he's most likely calling a shove.
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05-28-2013 , 12:47 AM
Raise bigger pre, bet pot on the flop and the turn becomes a much easier decision...
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05-28-2013 , 12:50 AM
$267 in the pot, V has $195 left, you have AA overpair on unconnected FD board. Looks like a fist pump shove to me.
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05-28-2013 , 12:52 AM
Bet 110-130 and call a shove. U are trying to induce a jack to call but u also have to charge flush draws. I do think he flats jj and qq an awful lot on flop but u are also ahead way more often.
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05-28-2013 , 12:20 PM
After preflop (I woulda raised a little more, but whatever), I don't think there's any thinking to be done in this hand. The board is drawy, we've got an overpair on a low SPR pot. After our nice flop bet (although I wouldn't argue with a bigger one), we've created a $261 pot with $195 left and we's has an overpear on a drawy board; I don't think anything else is relevant.

ETA: i.e. what wj94 said.

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05-28-2013 , 12:26 PM
this is such an easy jam
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05-28-2013 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
$267 in the pot, V has $195 left, you have AA overpair on unconnected FD board. Looks like a fist pump shove to me.
Very well said.
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05-29-2013 , 04:29 AM
Ok, this is pretty much what I thought. Thanks for all the replies.

Results:

We shove and get snapcalled by 66 for a flopped set. Oh well.
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