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12-09-2013 , 05:27 AM
V1 (120)- 65 yo white male, passive nit, only seen him showdown quads
Hero's Image (250)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (3):
Hero is BB dealt AA V1 limps UTG, 4 limps, Hero raises to 16, V1 calls, all call.

Flop (91):
T45
Hero bets 60, V1 shoves for 54 more, folds around, Hero calls.
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12-09-2013 , 05:30 AM
20 pre flops good
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12-09-2013 , 11:12 AM
Stacks simply aren't deep enough for me to find a fold here. Sucks that it's a nit shoving against you, but he can probably show up with a few 1 pair hands worse than yours.
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12-09-2013 , 11:48 AM
Given stack sizes you got to make a call. If he flopped a baby set then oh well, but is he passive enough to fold jacks preflop in a big limped pot lol?.

Bet sizing preflop is ok, but I like $20 better
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12-09-2013 , 12:39 PM
$54 to win $265

Lets play around a bit and see:

Board: Ts 4d 5d

Hand 0: 14.040% 14.04% 00.00% 1251 0.00 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 85.960% 85.96% 00.00% 7659 0.00 { TT, 55-44 }

Board: Ts 4d 5d

Hand 0: 17.864% 13.09% 04.77% 1296 472.50 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 82.136% 77.36% 04.77% 7659 472.50 { AA, TT, 55-44 }

Board: Ts 4d 5d

Hand 0: 45.232% 45.23% 00.00% 6717 0.00 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 54.768% 54.77% 00.00% 8133 0.00 { KK, TT, 55-44 }

Board: Ts 4d 5d

Hand 0: 65.361% 65.36% 00.00% 18118 0.00 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 34.639% 34.64% 00.00% 9602 0.00 { KK-TT, 55-44, 7d6d }

Board: Ts 4d 5d

Hand 0: 23.771% 23.77% 00.00% 2824 0.00 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 76.229% 76.23% 00.00% 9056 0.00 { TT, 55-44, KdTd, JdTd, 7d6d }

If his range is ONLY sets, we can find a fold.
If we ever add in 1 hand of anything else, anything at all (that's not AA) then it's a call. We are getting right about 5:1 on our money so we only need ~16% equity. I'm calling here.

I'm also raising to $20 or more pre flop with 6 people already showing interest in the post. And we are OOP. Sorry he had a set.
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12-09-2013 , 12:42 PM
Yeah I'm on board with $20 pre OOP.

Flop standard.
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12-10-2013 , 03:03 AM
$20 pre, don't fold.

Not a fist pump even getting > 4.5:1 because he's a passive nit, but you should have the equivalent of ~4 outs when behind (A, A + back door draws). You need like 18%, you have 16% when you're behind, so call. Did all the math in my head quickly, so not perfect obv, but calling is clearly reasonable. Honestly, it's not a slam dunk, but I'd never fold given stacks.
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12-10-2013 , 03:34 AM
played it fine, raise to 17-20 given table with 5 limpers

dream flop for aces, have to stack off given stack sizes on this board

if flop came 678 even 678r you could c/f if it goes b/c/c/c 6 way

but on this flop you have tostack off given you only have 2 bets behind
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12-10-2013 , 05:21 AM
Thanks for the replies all, much appreciated. I figured he never has a draw here. His range is sets and a few combos of QQ and JJ.

Results-

Spoiler:
villain had top set
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12-10-2013 , 07:32 AM
The signs were all there for you. UTG limp and flat ... Nit = pp88-QQ/AK/AQs

I dont think you can fold here based on stack sizes, but as you have seen you need to go more PF. Being OOP with so many in the hand you barely raised the pot and got 'dominoed'. You do need to stay with what you would 'normally' do in this spot but ... ahhh ... tough spot for you.

Leading out on Flop is fine, but can you justify slowplaying with nit and so many others in the pot? possibly How often do you steal from BB? A Flop check here could be a nice trapping play. If nit leads and you raise, he shoves ... now you can fold. Problem is that if it checks through you are really in trouble on Turn.

I could fold this to the right player but with the stacks they way they were it certainly would've been a tough one. But do you really expect to get those chips back any time soon? Probably not.

I will sometimes tell a nit to let me do the betting if they want (more of) my chips. This will sometimes slow them down and let you draw out. The flip side is that they will get more aggressive to protect and then you can fold out easier. GL
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12-10-2013 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by answer20
The signs were all there for you. UTG limp and flat ... Nit = pp88-QQ/AK/AQs

Leading out on Flop is fine, but can you justify slowplaying with nit and so many others in the pot? possibly How often do you steal from BB? A Flop check here could be a nice trapping play. If nit leads and you raise, he shoves ... now you can fold. Problem is that if it checks through you are really in trouble on Turn.

I could fold this to the right player but with the stacks they way they were it certainly would've been a tough one. But do you really expect to get those chips back any time soon? Probably not.

I will sometimes tell a nit to let me do the betting if they want (more of) my chips. This will sometimes slow them down and let you draw out. The flip side is that they will get more aggressive to protect and then you can fold out easier. GL
I pretty much never raise from the blinds as a steal in a multiway limped pot, that is futile in most average games.

I don't like c/c or c/r this flop, don't want to risk it getting checked through. Betting will get value from hands we beat and draws and c/r might fold out those hands.
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12-17-2013 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand
20 pre flops good
This is just begging to pick up the blinds. OP played this hand optimally, sizing is great, just a bad result.
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