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01-17-2014 , 10:31 AM
V1 (Covers): Mid 40's or early 50's white male. Regular. Very wide limping range regardless of position. Capable of bluffing.

V2 (170): Early 30's white male. Out of towner, casual player. He's at the casino with his buddy (different table) and they've both been drinking pretty steadily for the past few hours. His play has been pretty ABC so far.

Hero (250): Fairly tight image, but I've been called on a couple c-bets recently so they know I don't always have it.

V1 limps in EP, V2 limps in mid, Hero makes it 15 with AA in cutoff. Blinds fold, both V1 and V2 call.

Flop: J T 4 rainbow (48)

V1 checks, V2 checks, Hero bets 25, V1 raises to 50, V2 calls 50, Hero calls 25

The 25 may be too small, but it's in line with my c-bet sizing here (but maybe my c-bets need to be larger). I've never seen V1 check/min-raise, so I'm not sure what that means. I'm inclined to 3! heads up, but with V2 coming along I'd rather re-evaluate on the turn.

Turn J T 4 2 (198)

V1 bets 100, V2 is all-in for 105, Hero???

After the action, pot is 400 and I have 185.

Comments all around would be great.
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01-17-2014 , 10:46 AM
PF make it 20+ given these V descriptions and limps. Ideally around 25.

OTF must make it at least 35-40.

Turn is a fold.
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01-17-2014 , 11:47 AM
yeah PF sizing really dictates a lot in this hand but V2 probably calls anyway with description lol
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01-17-2014 , 01:35 PM
I would Raise 20-25 Pre - fish will still call. But 15, too many times because of our Image were getting called by too many players behind.

They could easily have Jx, JT, and sets of 44's in their limp calling ranges here so with the action between - its a fold.

if we are heads up we are less likely to fold agains't any form of play back from V of these specific Profiles.

Last edited by GuessWhat21; 01-17-2014 at 01:36 PM. Reason: Missread OP
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01-17-2014 , 01:55 PM
Save your 185. You may be 3rd best.
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01-17-2014 , 03:22 PM
Fold turn and hand is perfect
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01-17-2014 , 05:30 PM
I make my Cbets based on the board threats. Here, I'd go bigger, $40 or so. If that gets ck raised and cold called I'd be tempted to fold as there isn't really a good turn card for my hand. A 4 is OK, an A is meh.
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01-17-2014 , 05:39 PM
I would just shove the flop. Turn is close, I'd expect to see a set from one of them pretty often, but I see people do this with AJ/KJ/QQ often enough to not be folding with 125bb effective to start the hand, and you still have 8 outs against TJ.
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01-18-2014 , 11:09 AM
Thanks for the comments. I can get behind a larger flop bet, and I'll have to explore larger pf raises in this kind of spot. Looks like folding the turn is the popular choice.

Spoiler:
Hero folds and feels pretty confident about it. V1 has QQ and V2 has 89. River bricks, V1 takes the pot, Hero takes a walk trying to figure out what just happened. I guess V2 was just ready to call it a night.
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01-18-2014 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MUMTG
Thanks for the comments. I can get behind a larger flop bet, and I'll have to explore larger pf raises in this kind of spot. Looks like folding the turn is the popular choice.

Spoiler:
Hero folds and feels pretty confident about it. V1 has QQ and V2 has 89. River bricks, V1 takes the pot, Hero takes a walk trying to figure out what just happened. I guess V2 was just ready to call it a night.
The biggest mistake you made was not your flop bet sizing, it was clicking the call button when V1 min-raised you. Sure you can bet bigger to start, but you should be 3b this flop.
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01-18-2014 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MUMTG
Thanks for the comments. I can get behind a larger flop bet, and I'll have to explore larger pf raises in this kind of spot. Looks like folding the turn is the popular choice.

Spoiler:
Hero folds and feels pretty confident about it. V1 has QQ and V2 has 89. River bricks, V1 takes the pot, Hero takes a walk trying to figure out what just happened. I guess V2 was just ready to call it a night.
Please don't call the flop bet and then fold the turn. That makes no sense at all.

Before you call the flop raise decide whether you're going with the hand or not. You're not on a draw, the turn is not likely to improve your hand.
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01-18-2014 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ShowdownValue
The biggest mistake you made was not your flop bet sizing, it was clicking the call button when V1 min-raised you. Sure you can bet bigger to start, but you should be 3b this flop.
What is your range for V1 and V2?

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Originally Posted by au4all
Please don't call the flop bet and then fold the turn. That makes no sense at all.

Before you call the flop raise decide whether you're going with the hand or not. You're not on a draw, the turn is not likely to improve your hand.
Like I said, I'm mostly worried about V2. I don't know what I'm beating that limps, calls a raise, and then calls 50 (a third of his stack) with action still behind on the flop. But I am getting almost 7-1 and the turn will bring me more information. If V1 bets again and V2 goes away, I'm fine jamming most turns.
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01-18-2014 , 12:02 PM
Pre flop raise more. in a 1/2 with 2 initial limpers I would make it 18-22.

You made it 25 and got min raised and you flatted...I might just get it in on the flop.

As played, on the flop, I would also go a little larger (considering the amount of money in the flop already). On the turn, I give up.

Last edited by RyanAA44; 01-18-2014 at 12:05 PM. Reason: Forgot flop action
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