Villain : $800 He'd been pretty loose and aggressive overall. He stacked off preflop 3betting AJcc and I 4bet and he got it in against my KK. That was within his first few orbits. He has been more aggressive making 3bets in the past few hours since, betting multiple streets when he had the betting leads. He seemed to be more call stationy when he didn't have the lead. I haven't seen him make a move like this and haven't seen him show up with complete air in any pots.

Hero : $675. Been pretty TAG overall. Have played a few pots pretty aggro against some of the looser opponents earliar in the night. I have a good image.

Preflop : UTG (tightish) opens to 12, Villain (UTG1) calls 12, Laggy Player Calls MP, I have AsAd on the button and 3bet to $45. Villain and MP call.

Flop ($150) : Kh8h7d. Action checks to me I bet $75. Villain Calls, MP Folds.

Turn ($300) : Qc. Villain checks. I bet $150. He tanks a bit and then raises to $330.

tough spot. my initial thought is gii. It does seem like he is setting it up for a perfect shove on the river. I would expect to see 77 88 kq a lot here as well as flush draws. What does villain look like? The 5 bet with ajcc sounds bad. Were a lot of his other plays this bad?

Fold. In general it's a bad idea to stack off with 1 pair 300+bb deep. I also strongly recommend checking back the turn for pot control here. You are super deep in a bloated pot. The board is relatively dry and the Q just hit a major part of his range. Your turn bet is not going to get called very often. It's going to get raised or you'll get a fold. Just check it back then you can call the river or make this bet again.

Don't level yourself. Hard to imagine this guy semi-bluff-check-raising here trying to blow you off AK or QQ+. This smells like a value bet to me.

First off, the turn is a pretty bad card for us.
A good portion of his range that we were ahead of was KQ and flush draws. And now the KQ gets there, and the flush draws likely picked up straight draws to go along with them.

In addition to this, if he has 99-JJ now he's scared of yet another over card coming off. All in all just a bad situation to be in.

I don't mind checking behind on the turn.


Second, with a few people in the hand, we have a somewhat draw heavy board I would think about betting bigger on the flop. Closer to $100. Between $95 and $110 seems like good amount.

As played, I'd likely puke and fold if I was playing well.

We do not have stack sizes of other players but pre flop I would raise larger to 65 or 70. If utg opened for 6x and is tight he hay have a big hand and we might be able to get stacks in pre with him. Plus 45 is likely going to create 3 or 4 way action. Some would like to be multi way with a hand of this strength but at these stack sizes I would prefer to thin the field. As played I check back the turn as the K hits a lot of his range and controls the pot size. This also allows V to bluff at the river with his missed draws. I would expect an aggressive villain to jam the turn if drawing. The min raise feels very strong as your hand is defined and V does not seem concerned that the K may have hit you. V seems to be setting up a river shove where most players call off their remaining stack since they are "pot committed" and getting strong odds. I would expect sets or 2 pair.

Fold Turn.

this.

bet 135 OTF.

I think this is a fold as played.

Question for those suggesting checking behind on the turn: Would you call most any donk river bet? If opponent checks river are you bet/folding any non-K non-flush card?

Thanks for the input so far. I hadn't considered checking the turn and am also curious if we like checking the turn what are our plans for different river cards?

Pre should be larger, I like the 60 range.

Flop is fine as played, turn is still fine as a b/f at this level, higher levels of play I would be checking back, at 1/2 I'm bet/folding.

Needs to be a disciplined fold here IMO.

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Definitely check back turn, and as played fold. That queen just makes so many hands that you were ahead of, and given his line, it almost definitely hit him.

Making your decisions based on the stakes you're playing only makes sense until you have specific reads on players at the table. Once you've got a player dialed in the fact that it's 1/2 or 50/100 shouldn't matter.

In this case we've got a decent read on the player, and I'm particularly interested in the statement "he hasn't shown up with air yet." After his flop call his range is fairly polarized to hands he likely won't call another bet with (JJ/TT/A8) and hands that crush us (QQ/KQ/88/77). About the only hands that we have any realistic hope of getting 3 streets of value from are KJ/KT which we are less likely to be part of his 3-bet calling range. So unless villain is a major drooler who will stack of 300bb lightly, there is not going to be a lot of value in a turn bet.

Fold it, at this point you beat nothing. He should have KQ or bottom or middle set.

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Raise more pre...bigger bet on flop...

As played, check turn and probably call off a river bet

This. Also turn c/r's at 1/2 are death.

You say he's been passive without the lead, but has he c/c'd or if he were in position has he called 3 streets and lost at showdown? Some guys are good enough that we aren't going to get 3 streets of value too often. From there, decide which 2 streets you want. Flop texture dictates that a lot.

When V has a draw we'll get the flop and turn, he'll only put money in otr if he hits.

When we 3bet usually we don't want to get fancy otf, we'll get flop and river value.

Sometimes in a raised pot pf, it might be okay to flop TPTK with AK/AQ and a check on a K T 6 flop will make V rule out AK, then you can get turn and river value easily.

Grunch.

I'm raising more preflop to about 65ish. I'm also betting more on the flop since it's a pretty draw heavy board. Turn I'm still betting as flush draws will often give us more value in these situations. I'm folding to the raise OTT and I'm also likely folding to any river bet except non-diamond 7's or 8's.