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02-13-2015 , 01:06 AM
Villain (CO): late 20s white woman; unknown ($400)
Hero (EP): mid 20s asian man; just sat down ($200)

Villain just got back to the table and posts missed blinds in the CO. Hero opens $13 in EP with AA. Villain calls and everyone else folds.

Flop: 632 ($30)

Hero bets $20. Villain min raises to $40. Hero calls.

Turn: 9 ($105)

Hero checks. Villain bets $50. Hero calls.

River: J ($205)

Hero checks. Villain shoves the last $97.

Flush draw missed, and I don't have A. But that's all I'm beating. A missed flush draw. This line just smells like a set all day. Villain's done a great job of roping me along and enticing me with those better than 3-1 pot odds. If villain has any positional awareness she would put me on an overpair since I opened EP. Yet she's sized her bets perfectly for a ~ 1/2 pot river shove as if she wants a call. On the other hand don't typical 1/2 players like to protect their monsters like sets instead of min raising the flush draw flop and betting 1/2 pot on the turn? So if the correct play is to call in this spot then I'm assuming we're usually calling down strong overpairs on flush draw flops for 100bb when faced with a raise.

"You show if I fold?"

*5 second pause*

"Sure."
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02-13-2015 , 01:21 AM
Not folding for 100bbs without reads. She can have something weird like QQ or the busted draw.
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02-13-2015 , 01:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
Villain (CO): late 20s white woman; unknown ($400)
Hero (EP): mid 20s asian man; just sat down ($200)

Villain just got back to the table and posts missed blinds in the CO. Hero opens $13 in EP with AA. Villain calls and everyone else folds.

Flop: 632 ($30)

Hero bets $20. Villain min raises to $40. Hero calls.

Turn: 9 ($105)

Hero checks. Villain bets $50. Hero calls.

River: J ($205)

Hero checks. Villain shoves the last $97.

Flush draw missed, and I don't have A. But that's all I'm beating. A missed flush draw. This line just smells like a set all day. Villain's done a great job of roping me along and enticing me with those better than 3-1 pot odds. If villain has any positional awareness she would put me on an overpair since I opened EP. Yet she's sized her bets perfectly for a ~ 1/2 pot river shove as if she wants a call. On the other hand don't typical 1/2 players like to protect their monsters like sets instead of min raising the flush draw flop and betting 1/2 pot on the turn? So if the correct play is to call in this spot then I'm assuming we're usually calling down strong overpairs on flush draw flops for 100bb when faced with a raise.

"You show if I fold?"

*5 second pause*

"Sure."
This is a very strange hand.

PF is fine

Cbet is good.
Min raise from an unknown female @ 1/2 and I'm instantly lost. I think the best line here is to min raise/F against her min raise. She'll likely spazz raise with a better hand and we can safely fold. If she flats I'm betting turn and likely not folding.

As played OTF I prefer a lead out OTT.

As played OTR we're getting 3-1 and need to be good here 1 outta 4 times. I think she may have enough combos of smaller over pairs in her range to make this neutral EV, but I don't like the situation one bit.
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02-13-2015 , 02:19 AM
Why absolutely turn our hand into a bluff rather than seeing what she does on next two streets? That is essentially "betting to see where you're at" and pretty bad in general, especially this hand.
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02-13-2015 , 04:03 AM
Shove the turn. I'm not folding.
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02-13-2015 , 04:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pork Fri Rize
Why absolutely turn our hand into a bluff rather than seeing what she does on next two streets? That is essentially "betting to see where you're at" and pretty bad in general, especially this hand.
It's not a bluff.
But if so because we're against a female unknown at 1/2 who min raised us.
Btw, betting for info isn't alway bad. Stop reciting general poker rules and start thinking about the hand.
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02-13-2015 , 05:20 AM
reraise flop or ship turn
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02-13-2015 , 06:43 AM
... You do turn your hand into a bluff if she jams with TT-QQ. We should be looking to see a turn at worst.
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02-13-2015 , 08:32 AM
V called your EP raise after posting in position. Her range is something like: any SC, all PP, Broadway cards. So she could have a straight or set; two pair is less likely; she could have flush draw and made a pair. Against her range, absent other reads and since this is first hand against her, and especially considering eff starting stack is 100bb, I'm never folding AA here. I think your hand is good more than half the time. Her flop min raise is confusing. She may have flopped a flush draw and may have raised as a move to try to get a free card on the turn and/or get you to fold a hand like AK. It's possible that she spiked a pair on the turn and decided to keep betting. At 1/2, players don't need a lot of reasons to bet and she's more likely putting you on AK then Aa or kk.
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02-13-2015 , 01:26 PM
Never folding in this situation for 100bb.
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02-13-2015 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
reraise flop or ship turn
What worse hands 4 bet flop?
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02-13-2015 , 03:13 PM
a number of hands, but that doesnt really matter.
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02-13-2015 , 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
What worse hands 4 bet flop?
Are you saying that 3betting doesnt have enough FE vs the % of times where youre 4bet and know youre behind?
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02-13-2015 , 03:43 PM
PF: Good

F: Pot is $29. SPR is about 6. V is a likely a fish because she posts in the CO instead of waiting for the BB. We bet 2/3P; good. We get min raised! Oh, the min raise. What does it mean. With fish, it usually means a pretty big hand. Maybe with this fish it means a heart flush draw. Maybe she has 45 or an overpair.

I think I'm fine stacking off here with my SPR of 6.

I'd raise. As played, we call.

T: Pot is $105. We check, she bets $50 which puts in half the effective stack. At this point if we call we are stacking off. I'd just shove now, so if she has a hand like TT of JJ she wont' find a fold on a A, K, or Q river.

As played, we call.

R: Pot is $205 and we've put in half our stack in already. We've got $103 left. The only overpairs you beat are QQ and KK.

I don't think opponent is thinking about your hand at all. She's thinking "Awesome, I have [insert overpair or set], now show me the monies!"

Well, we've called down to the river, and now we're going to fold? We've put ourselves in a tough spot. I guess I'm still calling, but I don't like it.
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02-13-2015 , 03:49 PM
I jam turn when she sizes that small. It is kind of shove or fold at this point. As played call river. You cant get to this point then fold when all draws miss. If you are going to fold this river you should of folded turn.
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02-13-2015 , 05:33 PM
OK. Results: I tank called and she had KK. One guy called a me nit and another guy said "nice slowroll".
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02-13-2015 , 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
a number of hands, but that doesnt really matter.
Are worse overpairs like JJ really gonna 4 bet shove that flop?
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02-13-2015 , 05:37 PM
not sure why you are so worried about her ai range otf. she can still call with a lot, in fact most of her raising range, and yes she can ship with worse otf.

if you are calling this river then you misplayed the hand imo as you should have gotten all in earlier.
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02-13-2015 , 05:39 PM
You're well past committed on the river. As played, call river. You need to decide after the flop min-raise if you're committed to getting your stack in or not. On that flop, I'd raise and commit myself because there are so many overpairs that could raise.
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