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11-30-2013 , 01:23 AM
hero has been sitting at table for ~2hrs and has tag image. playing with 320.
villain is a lag covers hero. rest of table is a mix but no other particularly aggressive player.
hero is in SB. v is in in mp.
utg straddles to 4 (hes somewhat loose and not good)
v raises to 10.
folds to hero in SB who makes it 26 with
AdAh
bb folds.
utg calls
v calls
flop (80)
Ac Tc 6c
hero bets 45
utg folds
v calls 45.
(at this point id think vs range is made flushes, club draws with a high club and or and A or a T. maybe just an Ace or KK-JJ without a club hoping to take it away.)
turn (170)
Ac Tc 6c 5c
hero? (we have 250 behind)
we have outs to fh. v will probably barrel 100% of this range here.
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11-30-2013 , 01:42 AM
a raise to 10 from mp in 1/2 nl; too many hands in your man’s range that aren’t flush draws. pairs like kc-10 w/ backdoor flush draw, gutshots llike kc-j, q-j, 5-6s, 4-6s etc. a set hoping a club doesn't come on the turn so they can barrel ao and you put them on a flush draw, then they bang it thinking u have an ak hand. any marginal starting hands w/ a pair or gutshot looking to take the play away from a scared KK, QQ on the turn. play your hand for value, not to lose the minimum. check to entice a bet, but never to fold. worst case scenario you're wrong and can still pair the board.
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11-30-2013 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Jam Session
a raise to 10 from mp in 1/2 nl; too many hands in your man’s range that aren’t flush draws. pairs like kc-10 w/ backdoor flush draw, gutshots llike kc-j, q-j, 5-6s, 4-6s etc. a set hoping a club doesn't come on the turn so they can barrel ao and you put them on a flush draw, then they bang it thinking u have an ak hand. any marginal starting hands w/ a pair or gutshot looking to take the play away from a scared KK, QQ on the turn. play your hand for value, not to lose the minimum. check to entice a bet, but never to fold. worst case scenario you're wrong and can still pair the board.
But worse isn't calling either.

A bet on turn, especially at anything close to $100, isn't going to get called by all those hands you're ranging.

At this point, play the hand as bluff catcher.
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11-30-2013 , 02:27 AM
I would 3! bigger to 35. I think he can have a lot of suited connectors here and is floating you with the intention to take it away on turn. If you check he is probably barreling here for sure. I guess you check and put your seat belt on and bluff catch. Hopefully he checks behind, doubt it though. Gross spot. A check fold is debatable as well.
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11-30-2013 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ForesstGump
I would 3! bigger to 35. I think he can have a lot of suited connectors here and is floating you with the intention to take it away on turn. If you check he is probably barreling here for sure. I guess you check and put your seat belt on and bluff catch. Hopefully he checks behind, doubt it though. Gross spot. A check fold is debatable as well.

so I checked.
v bets 90.
hero? we are getting 3:1 here so calling is right purely on the draw to the full house (don't think v will fold to a paired river).
we have 160 behind and the pot will be 420 giving him 2.5:1 to call.
call or shove?
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11-30-2013 , 03:23 AM
Call, shoving gets folds from worse and only called by better. I guess all in on a paired river. If the river is a blank, check. If he shoves with worse he is a sicko.
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11-30-2013 , 03:29 AM
.....then again he could have a small club that he turned into a bluff on turn. And then you could turn your hand into a bluff and come over the top and have outs if you are wrong. Crap, maybe shoving is the best play. Lol. Such a gross spot. Where are all the geniuses with better answers?
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11-30-2013 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ForesstGump
.....then again he could have a small club that he turned into a bluff on turn. And then you could turn your hand into a bluff and come over the top and have outs if you are wrong. Crap, maybe shoving is the best play. Lol. Such a gross spot. Where are all the geniuses with better answers?
Obviously you calculate you FE in this spot and see what the percentage would be in order for a shove to be profitable.

Then you evaluate whether that percentage is plausible against the action of villain.
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11-30-2013 , 03:55 AM
I think I may have raised to 30 preflop, then tried to checkraise all in depending on my reads on agro villain.
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