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Old 03-27-2014, 04:46 PM   #1
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1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

Poker newbie here needs some tips for a NLHE live game :P

Hero has a relatively tight image. Been playing solid ABC poker and showed down with strong hands. Stack size: $250

Villain is an overly outgoing, but friendly, old man probably in his 60's. Hard to categorize him, anywhere from loose passive to maniac. Been rebuying in for $200 every time he busts. Stack size: $200

1 hand history with villain:
Action folds to hero, who raises to $8 from CO with 77
Villain calls from BTN, SB (calling station) calls.

Flop is J87r - Pot: $25
SB checks
Hero bets $18
Villain shoves
SB Folds

Hero tanks for a bit, wondering if villain hit higher set (villain has 3 bet only AA, KK, limped with QQ), or even 9 10. Effective stack size was roughly $125 (hero). Hero calls, villain shows J8, MHIG.

A few other hands that I wasn't involved with, he often insta-shoved with an overpair (think AA or KK) or any two pair (top 2, bottom 2, top and bottom). Have yet to see a set.

****ACTUAL HAND****
Action folded to hero, dealt AA on BTN
Hero raises to $10
Villain calls from SB, BB folds.

Flop:
10 6 2 r
Villain shoves
Hero?

Any two pair (perfectly within his wide range), or set, has me crushed. I doubt he's shoving with AA or KK this time given he didn't 3 bet me pre-flop. Thoughts on this? Please give an explanation behind your reasoning, not simply the action you would take or "because it's standard".
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Old 03-27-2014, 04:58 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

If he's open shoving a set here then good luck to him, I am calling all day.

He can quite easily have A10, JJ or QQ here (and even a slowplayed KK sometimes), he could also have J10, who knows.
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Old 03-27-2014, 05:01 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

If he doesn't 3bet QQ or JJ then it's a call.
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Old 03-27-2014, 05:06 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

Call
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Old 03-27-2014, 05:18 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

An interesting point on this. If V is openshoving here with a set and gets to show it down, it could set up some interesting metagame later on if he's on the ball (don't think he is, but whatever).

Say you're in a similar spot later on and V openshoves 3x pot to you from OOP, are you calling with TPTK? Probably not. Could make some interesting bluff shoves later.

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Old 03-27-2014, 05:20 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

Not folding. Tons of JJ and probably QQ and AT here. Two pair seem impossible.
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Old 03-27-2014, 05:23 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

Call, just don't get results orientated. He's going to be ahead some of the time.
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Old 03-27-2014, 05:35 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

I know this isn't the actual hand, but since you're looking for advice I thought I would say first thing I noticed was pre flop sizing is too small in the 7s hand. In your typical 1/2 game this kind of raise will get 2-4 callers which isn't the best for 77. My usual go to is like $10-$12 for a pre flop open. Depends on game though obv

And yeah standard call with AA for 100bbs imo
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:03 PM   #9
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Re: 1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

Given Villian's description and how loose he is, he may think that Tx is the nuts right here and he has no reason to believe you have AA since there was only a PF raise and no further action.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:10 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

Based on your read this is a call.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:52 PM   #11
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Re: 1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

Snap call. He shoved $200 into a pot of ~$20?? Gotta love 1/2 nl.
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Old 03-28-2014, 09:16 AM   #12
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Re: 1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

****ACTUAL HAND****
Action folded to hero, dealt AA on BTN
Hero raises to $10
Villain calls from SB, BB folds.

Flop:
10 6 2 r
Villain shoves
Hero?

"Any two pair (perfectly within his wide range), ,,,," Disagree strongly here ; even if V plays about half of all hands possible 2 pair isn't even close to 1%.
Suggestion - buy Flopzilla and "play" around with various ranges/flops.

Anything is possible but a flop shove of a set on a dry board is extremely unlikely. ( On a wet board small stakes players will quite often overbet because they fear a villain hitting a draw because they either don't know or choose to ignore the math. ).

What's left ? Top pair.

H should announce all-in without hesitation.
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Old 03-28-2014, 09:45 AM   #13
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OP you need to make the call!! It's poker and small chance he has you beat but very unlikely. has V been shoving all in on the norm with a small pot?

I would call all day, his range can be JJ or QQ but he can also make that move w a-10 or K-10 (not recommended)

If he has a set on the river both stacks will be getting all in anyway (if the board stays dry). If you lose the hand I would mark it as a cooler.

Also your pre flop raise needs to be a minimum of 15. 10 is way to small
what happened in the hand?
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:01 AM   #14
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Re: 1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

OP, you said that the Villain rebuys for $200 after busting? And he's sitting with $200 right now which would lead me to believe that he busted recently. How many times has he busted in total?

People @$1/2 do weird **** when they're stuck. This could literally be anything from a gutshot to KK. I doubt it is ever a set (and if it is this is undoubtedly the worst possible way to play it). I guess sometimes he "could" show up with 2p, but you're going to see a lot more random **** that you are well ahead of than behind.

Did we consider the likelihood that Villain has the "OMG I don't know what to do with my one/two pair hand so I guess I'll just shove" syndrome?
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Old 03-30-2014, 04:59 PM   #15
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Re: 1/2 AA on dry flop facing shove

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I guess in hindsight, it is pretty standard to call with AA but I guess my "tell" for this guy was he always shoved with top 2 or better and I was not putting him on an overpair. Thanks for the feedback everyone
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