Playing a 1/2 Live NL in local Poker Room. Table has had crazy action; there are a lot of tourists in town for the Memorial Day weekend. Villain is one of the regulars here - he is pretty tight but I have seen him spew when on tilt. We have mostly been avoiding each other throughout the night, and targeting the easier money. In the past I have stacked him a few times when he has overplayed some big hands pre-flop (QQ+). Hero has a TAG image.

Effective stack size with Villain is $1000.

OOTH:

Pre-flop:
- 2 players in EP limp. Player in MP raises it to 7. Hero (BB) looks at AA and re-raises to 30.
- Villain (SB) thinks for a moment, and then calls for 30. Everyone else folds.

Here I am thinking Villains range is pretty narrow. He is OOP in the small blind, and typically respects my raises. I am thinking he has TT+ or AK/AKs. Don't think hes calling here with AQ or KQ. He could also have some lower PP (22-99) in his range, as I have seen him set mine against deep stacks OOP.

Flop (73): 442
- Villain checks. I bet $50, Villain calls. At this point I am thinking Villain probably has a mid-high PP (99-QQ).

Don't think he would call with 2 high cards given the board and his style of play.

Turn (173): 6, there are now 2 diamonds on the board.
- Villain checks. Hero checks back.

My intention here was to show some weakness, hoping that I could get him to call a large river bet. He might hit a 2 outer, but thought this was worth the risk of getting a larger bet through on the river. Did I miss a bet here?

I am not particularly concerned with the FD here - I have the A The only FD I can see here would be AKdd or AQdd, but since we have the diamond this removes these hands.

River (173): 8
- Villain leads out for 100. This seems very weak here - this seems like has a PP and is trying to get to showdown for cheap. Maybe occasionally he shows up with a full house, but my sense was that Villain was weak based on his body language and bet size.

- Hero min re-raises to 200.

Any feedback would be appreciated. I am thinking there are some lines I could have taken better. Bet the turn instead of checking? Is the river re-raise bad? Should it have been more?

Bet turn, bet river.

Instead of checking turn to make a large river bet, you can bet small on the turn and small on the river and it will end up being larger than a single large river bet.

But against described V I'd just blast both streets and hope he can't find a fold with an overpair. Tight players usually don't wait for the nuts just to fold them.

wouldn't you rather he called 2 large bets?

he can't vbet trips or better?

what pos is v again? I don't understand.

everything looks ok. what happened? he called and he had diamonds? if so, that is just an odd and poorly played hand by V where he got there and it doesn't make sense.

Forget it and move on to the next hand. and remember that for future hands versus V.

As played, min-raise seems good.

I'd go $35 flop, $105 turn, $225+ river. Smaller flop may look like AK/AQ and induce a x/r.

Flop bet seems a little big. I'm glad you didn't lose him. I would have bet the turn.

River min-raise is OK, but what's your plan if he re-raises? Would he ever re-raise as a bluff? Is he really calling with worse?

I would 1/3 flop and being this deep IP vs capped ranged, seems like a nice spot to start building an overbet turn strat

Error in original post - I was on the BTN, not the BB. Post should make more sense now.

Result ($573):
Villain tank calls with KK.

Thinking back on the hand, it does seem like I lost value on different streets. Should have definitely bet the turn. Did not think he was this strong (KK), given him smooth calling from the SB.

As played, if there was a river re-raise, I would probably fold. The only hands I can see him re-raising here are FH/Quads. I can't see myself being good here given what I know about this player and the way he generally plays, as well as being this deep. Don't think he ever shows up with three 4s; even if he somehow did have a 4, I think he would just call the min-raise.

I like the way Villain played KK actually.

I agree Turn is a bet.

If he takes this line with KK, he should also do it with a bunch of other hands, making his range quite wide.

It's possible that he lead out on the River thinking you can't have AdKd, which limits you to basically a flush with AdQd or Ad5d, and he's hoping to get value from 99, TT, JJ which might check back the River.

I don't think your river raise gets a lot of hands to call, except for KK exactly, which he shouldn't have here too often.

Bomb turn and river wtf

Seems like a bad spot to use 1/3 specifically because we're deep vs. a capped range.

SPR is 13 and we're going to want to GII on many runouts. I'm potting it.

There's no good reason to be checking turn here. We need to put stacks in play.

This is the easiest pot/pot/pot jam in the world. Anything else is ******ed. You’ve coolered SB’s QQ-TT now stack him already.

If your games are so juicy that a tight reg stacks off 500bb vs a psb/overbet turn/overbet shove river line with 88-QQ, sure then pot the flop

Ya b/b/b for sure. SB will defend all pairs otf for a large sizing anyway so I'm going big

Yet you want to overbet turn for some reason?

You agreed he’s capped, so let’s shovel in the money and force him to call with worse or fold 100% of his range.

If his range is 88+ /AK, then we definitely want to be pot/pot/potting and it’s not close. 1/3 flop and overbet turn (and check river apparently?) doesn’t make sense against that range. If we start adding in 22/44 then it isn’t going to be as good obviously but those shouldn’t show up even close to 100% frequency and it’s fine to let them stack the top of our range.

Number of big blinds doesn’t matter, only ranges and SPR.

Bet 1/3rd OTF ($25) it’s 442r... over bet turn ($175) & throw 3 black chips in OTR.

As played raise to $300+ OTR. You can never be bluffing when you min click it...



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Yeah, because if i 1/3 flop he’s going to arrive to the turn with a very wide range and overbetting turn is going to cause him to make a lot of mistakes range-wise. I didnt say anything about checking river.

Being this deep i wouldnt be surprised to see the reg cold-calling a lot of combos of PP. If it’s “not close” how come we have never seen a thread in the past 3 years where someone took a pot/pot/pot or pot/overbet/overbet jam with an overpair in a 3b pot for anywhere near 1kbb? Also i really doubt anyone on this forum would actually play their bluffs like that

why check turn ?

you have villain on a range that we crush

bet bet bet

value all day

as far as sizing imo at 1/2 just go big and get called by worse

the biggest exploit you can do at low live stakes is on the value side because they never fold

You're not being consistent. It's implied that you'll be checking river if you think pot/pot/potting is bad, or is putting the same amount of money in a different way somehow going to make calling range substantially wider? I don't know how people respond to this in practice, but in theory they should be narrower against your sizings.

This is set up as a polar vs. capped range spot and it's well established how to play those. We size so that we'll be all-in by the river with proportionally equal sized bets.

Who cares how we play our bluffs? If you are saying villain is going to fold everything except boats to three PSBs, and you're also saying we wouldn't bluff with this line, then there's a contradiction here, or you think villain has way more 44-22 than I do. It's like you're acknowledging that you are incorrectly value heavy with this line and using that to justify not taking this line for value either.

No, it’s not implied at all or anywhere I’m checking river. A 1/3 flop 1.2x-1.5x overbet turn doesnt even create the same pot size, nowhere close. and I also would use 70-75% sizing otr.

Yeah it’s true I think that he will almost always fold all his bluff catchers to this line. However, nobody would play their bluffs in this manner so it’s kind of a moot point. Sure if OP posted a line where he blasted off 3 barrels with a bluffs, kudos to him but the fact is even if people did overfold vs this line nobody would take it.

I wouldnt take that line because I think the EV of 1/3 overbet turn is higher. I could be wrong but it’s not because I would be value heavy doing it; I just wouldn’t do it in the first place. Also it’s much easier to simplify game trees by sticking to one sizing or two sizings, rather than splitting your ranges/bet sizings/check range in a large # of ways trying to exploit something you don’t know you are exploiting optimally or not.