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12-31-2014 , 08:05 PM
The game is 1-2 no limit hold em, playing in the afternoon with a bunch of locals. I am in my early twenties and was playing a LAG game for about two hours. The table was of mostly seniors with about two younger males.

This is the hand in question:
1. My hand is AA in late position right next to the button. One from EP and MP limp for $2. I raise to $12. Button calls, BB calls, EP, and MP also call.

Flop ($60) comes:
10d 8d 6c

2. BB, EP, and MP check to me. I bet $50. Button thinks for abit and calls. Everyone else folds.

Turn ($160):
10d 8d 6c 8h

Hero?

Last edited by Garick; 12-31-2014 at 08:09 PM. Reason: removed results
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12-31-2014 , 08:09 PM
maybe bet bigger pre only because people usually call bigger bets still, unless this table has been pretty snug.

Last edited by Garick; 12-31-2014 at 08:10 PM. Reason: removed reference to results
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12-31-2014 , 08:11 PM
$12 pre is fine. I'd raise to $16 next time since you got three callers this time. On flop I'd bet about 2/3 pot, $40 is good. $50 is way too much and pushes out worse hands.

On turn I'd bet $75 to $85 because I WANT worse to stay in. You want him to call with draws, not bet so much to scare draws and worse hands away.

Last edited by Garick; 12-31-2014 at 08:14 PM. Reason: removed reference to results
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12-31-2014 , 08:13 PM
Could have top pair + diamond among others. Bet 2/3 pot and reevaluate next street.
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12-31-2014 , 08:13 PM
Stack sizes? Bet $95-110 so much money to be made from draws and worse pairs, you have the best hand here most of the time.
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12-31-2014 , 08:13 PM
Welcome to the forum, OP. I took the results out, as they tend to skew people's advice.

If you have a LAG image, I def open bigger, even in a daytime game. You have the image to get more value out of your AA pre.

As played, the near PSB on a wet flop is good.

OTT, his most likely holdings are FDs and SDs, so we obv don't want to give him a free card here. I go about 2/3 pot. Since I've seen results, I'll stop there.
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12-31-2014 , 08:14 PM
The table was pretty snug. I'm sure I may have had one caller. But I was consistently raising in that range and didn't want to scare any one off or give away my hand.
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12-31-2014 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Welcome to the forum, OP. I took the results out, as they tend to skew people's advice.

If you have a LAG image, I def open bigger, even in a daytime game. You have the image to get more value out of your AA pre.

As played, the near PSB on a wet flop is good.

OTT, his most likely holdings are FDs and SDs, so we obv don't want to give him a free card here. I go about 2/3 pot. Since I've seen results, I'll stop there.
Hello Garick, thanks for making the edit and the advice. After looking at the abbreviations list, I could not find OTT. What does that stand for? Also what is the common amount of time before I give away the hand and how I played the hand?

Yeah, I put him on a flush draw or straight draw or 9jD after he called.
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12-31-2014 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
$12 pre is fine. I'd raise to $16 next time since you got three callers this time. On flop I'd bet about 2/3 pot, $40 is good. $50 is way too much and pushes out worse hands.

On turn I'd bet $75 to $85 because I WANT worse to stay in. You want him to call with draws, not bet so much to scare draws and worse hands away.
Thank you for your input. The reason why I bet $50 on the flop was because of the SD or FD opportunities out there, and I felt that with my LAG image a 10 anything would call me on the flop with that bet.
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12-31-2014 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by redrex003
Stack sizes? Bet $95-110 so much money to be made from draws and worse pairs, you have the best hand here most of the time.
My stack size was about $260 and his was about $310.
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12-31-2014 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Int3nseGrind
Hello Garick, thanks for making the edit and the advice. After looking at the abbreviations list, I could not find OTT. What does that stand for? Also what is the common amount of time before I give away the hand and how I played the hand?

Yeah, I put him on a flush draw or straight draw or 9jD after he called.
Hello, welcome to the forums!
OTT- on the turn or the 4th street

24 hours usually or after you have gotten enough responses for a constructive reasoning of how you played the hand.

Honestly, at 1-2 nlhe v's don't notice how much you 3-bet or the change in the 3-bet so I'd bump it up to 20 and since you have a lag image they might not believe you have a strong hand.

I can see the reasoning for betting so much on the wet board and betting like half pot. I'd probably bet higher since we have so many callers.

On the turn, I'd probably bet 85 and reevaluate the river.
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12-31-2014 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Int3nseGrind
Hello Garick, thanks for making the edit and the advice. After looking at the abbreviations list, I could not find OTT. What does that stand for? Also what is the common amount of time before I give away the hand and how I played the hand?

Yeah, I put him on a flush draw or straight draw or 9jD after he called.
Sorry. OTT stands for on the turn.

Wait until discussion dies down to reveal. Usually a day or so.
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12-31-2014 , 10:36 PM
No way this hand is going ten ways
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01-01-2015 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by universalpeace
No way this hand is going ten ways
What does that mean exactly?
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01-01-2015 , 02:27 PM
Don't feel noobish about not understanding that. I don't either. Maybe posted in the wrong thread by accident?
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01-02-2015 , 11:39 AM
I probably raise a little more pre, but I try to keep my raises the same no matter what my cards (only change based on limpers and maybe a little more out of position). If this was your norm / table norm, that's fine.

Flop bet is good. I continue on the turn with $100 and obviously not folding.
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01-02-2015 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
I probably raise a little more pre, but I try to keep my raises the same no matter what my cards (only change based on limpers and maybe a little more out of position). If this was your norm / table norm, that's fine.

Flop bet is good. I continue on the turn with $100 and obviously not folding.
That's exactly how I was raising. Based on amt of limpers and position. Keeping it consistent. Thanks for your input.

REVEAL:
Turn ($160)
I bet $100 and villain thinks for a bit again and shoves all in for $200 total. I'm $60 behind so I call because I feel I pot c omitted myself.

Villain flips over A8 off suit and river comes a brick. Villain takes down the pot with trips made on turn.

Should I have folded the all in raise on the turn? Or chop that up to bad luck? What I got from responses so far is bet 80-90 and with this that gives me opportunity to fold? Thoughts?
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01-02-2015 , 12:47 PM
I'm not folding. It's a bit of a cooler.
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01-02-2015 , 12:59 PM
There is absolutely no way you can fold for $60 OTT. This action is so nutted by most players, but you are only paying 12.5% of the pot, and there's now way you aren't good that often. Random spazz factor says that you're already ahead at least 5% of the time, and even against a range of boats and trips only, you have 6% re-draw equity. You only need one other "value" combo in his range to make this a clear call.

If you'd bet $80, and thus had another 80 behind, I probably still call, though I hate life more. The thing is, though, that betting $80 usually loses value, as his range (before he raises) is mostly draws, and he'll pay more for them.

You played the hand fine, imo. I usually go ahead and sneak a bit more in pre, since LLSNL Vs aren't very observant, and with position and number of limpers making our raise size vary, they don't notice when we sneak in a couple extra BB for fat value every once in a while
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01-02-2015 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
There is absolutely no way you can fold for $60 OTT. This action is so nutted by most players, but you are only paying 12.5% of the pot, and there's now way you aren't good that often. Random spazz factor says that you're already ahead at least 5% of the time, and even against a range of boats and trips only, you have 6% re-draw equity. You only need one other "value" combo in his range to make this a clear call.

If you'd bet $80, and thus had another 80 behind, I probably still call, though I hate life more. The thing is, though, that betting $80 usually loses value, as his range (before he raises) is mostly draws, and he'll pay more for them.

You played the hand fine, imo. I usually go ahead and sneak a bit more in pre, since LLSNL Vs aren't very observant, and with position and number of limpers making our raise size vary, they don't notice when we sneak in a couple extra BB for fat value every once in a while
Thanks for the input. Definitely going to sneak in more preflop, your probably right about them not catching on to a few extra bets.
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01-02-2015 , 03:30 PM
I think you bet too much on the flop. I would bet $20-30 Max and keep post small. Not a fan of playing AA vs a bunch if players.

I would even think of checking turn and let the hand go if villan gets too frisky.
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