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1/2 AA in the BB facing heat ott 1/2 AA in the BB facing heat ott

08-14-2013 , 01:35 PM
table has been more so an average passive 1/2 table. lots of limping, saw 3bet pf once in the last 2 hours that made everyone fold.

Hero ($350): been playing for 2 hours, just picking up pots here and there when i have a hand, only showed winners so far but not many hands have gone to showdown. probably viewed as somewhat tight.

MP ($150): just sat down a few hands ago. no real reads.

CO ($200): the most aggresive player so far at the table. raises often, seems to slow down a lot postflop.

SB ($550): Loose, has a wide range but seems to know when to fold etc. saw him fold Js2s on the river on KsQs92J board when i just sat down. just doubled up with Qd6d against Ad2d on 3d4d592, all in on the flop.

Hero is in the BB with AA.

MP limps, CO makes it 10 to go, SB calls, Hero calls, MP comes along.

Flop ($40) comes J 5 3 rainbow

SB checks, Hero bets 25, MP calls, CO calls, SB makes it 80, Hero calls, MP calls, CO also calls.

Turn ($360) comes J 5 3 4 completing the rainbow

SB says all in. Hero???
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08-14-2013 , 01:42 PM
If you don't raise enough (bellow the correct stack percentage) with AA pf you'll be in trouble if you don't know how to play well at the flop.

Here is why:Player "A" has AA and player "B" has 66. Player "A" expectation goes up the more money he gets in preflop, and goes down the bigger the stacks are. The opposite is true for player "B", the bigger the stacks are the bigger is his expectation and the more $$ he calls preflop raise the worse his expectation is.

Now, if you know how to build this concept into your strategy you'll become a winning player.

AK

Last edited by Octavian; 08-14-2013 at 01:54 PM.
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08-14-2013 , 02:02 PM
Reraise preflop. OOP you want AA to be going to the flop heads up. With the SB in and the pot at $23 already, I would go to $50. If the SB is sticky, possibly even more.

As played, the SB's flop check/raise says he can beat AJ. That isn't much above AJ that you beat, and those hands should have raised preflop. Here you have the additional problem that MP and CO are still in hand when your raised. I would mostly fold to the flop raise unless I had a specific reason not to. In any case, fold to the turn shove. Shove into pot after 3 calls of his flop check/raise is very strong and two pair is the mininum I would expect to see. Even if villain is aggressive enough to shove 64 or such, you might be crushed by either villain after you. Even if villain is a maniac you have to get out of the way, and you should berate yourself even more for ending up in this pit. With a maniac you either want to play hands that are likely to make draws on the flop if they connect, or you want to thin the field so that top pair/over pair is likely to be good.
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08-14-2013 , 02:19 PM
Why did you want to play AA from oop in a multi-way pot without the initiative? 3-betting pf narrows the field, gets more value for your big hand, keeps you with the initiative post flop while you're playing oop while also providing you the advantage of better gauging your opponents actions post flop if and when they try and seize the initiative. Why donk bet that flop with your disguised over pair? Wouldn't a check-raise be a more profitable and powerful play from oop in a multi-way pot with a disguised over-pair? On a rainbow flop you donk bet and then call the laggy SB's check raise, why? What were you thinking about your actions and their actions on future streets considering your passive play and their aggression? Your actions have left you oop with the nut big pair but no idea what any of your opponent are holding, which could include KK or QQ from the original raiser or a set, two pair or tp/tk (less likely) from the SB. The turn brings you a gut-shot draw and a shove from the laggy SB which has you covered and two other players left to act. The loose SB has seized the initiative and left you in a tough spot (much of it your own making). You can beat a lot of hands including those likely held by the mp player and cut-off opponent but is it really likely that the SB is check-raising the flop and shoving the turn in a multiway pot with anything less than two pair and more likely is holding a set. You've no idea where your opponents are, but of course they don't know where you are either but folding is correct particularly considering you have a 130bb stack left.

Last edited by losttrappist; 08-14-2013 at 02:29 PM.
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08-14-2013 , 02:27 PM
PF: I don’t like it. I know you said that a “3bet pf once in the last two hours made everyone fold”, but there is no way I want to take AA OOP against 3 other players. When we call, we know that MP is going to call getting about 4:1.

F: Effective stacks and SPR are all over the place. $150 against MP (SPR = 3.8). $200 against CO (SPR = 5) $350 against SB (SPR = 8.7) Pot is $40.

Flop is really good for our hand. $25 is fine. When SB check raises to 80, alarm bells should be going off in your head. All loose players are not maniacs. This guy check-raised with three others left to act. What range do we have SB on? Well the guy is known to play hands like J2 and Q6 so he could have anything here: One pair hands: AJ, KJ, QJ, JT-J2, Two pair hands: J5, J3, 53, Sets: JJ, 55, 33. Of course we are beating all the one pair hands but we are crushed by everything else.

If we call, we are putting 25% of our stack in, and we can surely expect a follow up bet on the turn that will be a committing bet. We are not closing the action. We should not just call and see what happens on the turn. This is the problem you have because you did not 3B your AA. We should fold

T: Really? You’re going to stack off 175bb with an overpair? This is a snap fold even if you classify this villain as loose.
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08-14-2013 , 03:30 PM
First off, if you see one 3bet in 2 hours and everyone folded that should give you a green light to 3bet light

Secondly, why did you smooth the raise pre? If you were thinking everyone was gonna fold...again you should of been 3betting more to set this play up so you get called lighter

As played, fold. This is a garbage situation. AA vs 3 people with a ton of action on the turn is a bad spot. Find another


My 2cents
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