Second hand at a new table at PARX. No history with this player. Hero is young 20's white hoodie type. Villain is white guy in his mid 30's. 200 Effective.


Pre: Two limps and Hero makes it 15 from the BB. One limper folds and V calls from the CO.


Flop: K-K-3 rainbow

Hero continues for 20 and Villain calls. (Pot $70)

Turn: 4 completing he rainbow

Hero bets 35 and Villain calls. (Pot $140)

At this point I am ranging V on weak kings like KJ, K9 type hands and low pocket pairs. 2-8's

River: 7 Hero bets 45 and Villains shoves for 85 more. Hero?

My reasoning for betting so small throughout this hand is that on such a dry board I did not want V to have a chance to float and make a big bet putting me in a gross spot. By betting relatively small but not too small I figured I could just dump the hand if I got raised at any point by an unknown V. River is obviously really small relative to the pot size but the stacks here were so awkward that shoving seemed like a huge spew to me and checking seemed weak.

85 to win 315 or so? not quite 4:1. you brought a second bullet right? Call I guess - dont show. The turn bet and river bets are just so small you could be inducing. Especially if you are 20s hoodie type.

did you consider checking the turn on a pretty safe board without any reads? makes river an easy c/c. some players i pot/pot/pot here, some i would slow down, tough without reads

we are getting a good price on the river but i have a hard time imagining we're good here vs. a total unknown who flatted twice IP with no real draws out there and then shoved blank river. SPR of almost 7 on flop as well... i think i cry a little bit inside and fold AP

I probably would have gave up after the turn bet gets called. I think this guy has a K like almost always here and is just letting you hang yourself.

The standard hero should fold. However, this is the "young 20's white hoodie type." If (A) your hoodie is up, (B) you have Beats on, or (C) you are wearing sunglasses and it isn't an outdoor game, then call because your image is crap and nobody takes you seriously.

Please elaborate on what exactly constitutes the "hoodie type." I occasionally wear a hoodie but that is dependent on the weather and room temp.

Agreed. It's possible he holds 33 in his hand flopped the boat, but likely holding KQs/KJs/KTs. You fired two reasonably-sized bullets and got called on both. I would chk river and reassess after V acts. But like others have said, difficult spot without any read.

How exactly is your image crap if you're wearing a hoodie, Beats, and sunglasses when you literally just sat down? You can have preconceived notions about a specific player, but it is unfair to definitively determine that someone's image is crap when he/she just sat down.

i see people that look like this get looked up lighter all the time. in my experience, other players assume that people like this = higher PFR (3 bets especially, but also any PFR) = more bluffs on later streets as well. it may or may not be true depending on player but i would not be shocked at all to get at least slightly more action

No my hood is not up. No I dont have beats on and I am not wearing sunglasses. It was cold in the room. Basically I didnt look like a douchbag.

Never calling here.

Unknowns just don't turn QQ- into a bluff here often enough.
Well played before that.

Haha. So what'd he have in the end?

Never calling that river bet. Villain has trips minimum after raising. Triple barreling itself is pretty thin.

+1

I like the line, good valuebetting against all kinds of pocket pairs, and you controlled the pot perfectly for the exact reason so you can fold here. nh

If you just sat down, your image (to me at least) will be based off of stereotypes dependent upon your age, dress, race, sex, appearance, and accessories. Until your play proves otherwise, I go off of the stereotype.

So, how does your image look like crap when your hoodie is up, Beats on, and sunglasses. Well, OP explained it quite succinctly:


So OP is your typical hero and he should fold here. Douche bags, of which OP is not, suffer from FPS and think they are god's gift to 1/2. They cannot lose a pot because they are awesome and next year at this time they will be in Bobby's Room with the newest set of Beats, an Armani hoodie, and killer shades.