V1 (MP): extremly loose passive both pre and postflop, has a decently wide range calling raises preflop. Sitting with $140
V2 (HJ): also fairly loose passive, slightly tighter range pre but not by that much. Likes to gamble with marginal hands (ie: called a overbet shove OTF with a flush draw). Sitting with $190
Hero (BU): Faking tilt, just took $200 outta my pocket to reload to max. Made a semi spewy bluff vs V1. In reality I am tilted at all. I have a fairly tight preflop range and have been fairly quiet postflop (but my opponents might view my range as being wider if they believe that I am actually tilted). I'm sitting with $500.
Hero is dealt AA OTB
7 limps to Hero, Hero raises to $25 (this was an extremly loose passive table, if I raised to $15, everyone would of called), folds to UTG who calls, V1 calls, V2 says "I guess I am getting priced in" and calls
Flop is JT9r (Pot=108)
checked to Hero, Hero bets $45, UTG folds, V1 calls, V2 calls
Turn is a 2 (pot=343)
checked to Hero, Hero ????

I would cbet the flop bigger. It's a drawy board and you have 2 calling stations in the hand. I would bet closer to pot, although with these stack sizes I don't mind shoving.

The turn is a blank (at least it should be). I'm shoving.

I imagine the pot is actually 243. our opponents only have 70 and 120.... There's no bet we can make where we can fold if raised. check, see what they do on the river.

While the turn is a blank, aren't you the least bit suspicious that two people called out of position on a terrible flop for us? We have spent 70 dollars on this hand... do we really want to risk 120 more against two opponents on a board like this?

I agree, this board is terrible for our hand. However we are against 2 very loose players who will probably call the flop with any pair of 9s or better, and any 8 or Q. I might be wrong, but I think our equity might be enough to commit considering the effective stacks are 1/2 of the current pot size and our opponents are still going to call the turn with a wide range.

Super easy turn shove.

If this is in Joliet I am shoving, too many time your up against a pair of fours and a pair of fives....

But on a more serious note, the board does suck so it really depends on how much the players suck. I think that I can just barely justify getting it in here. If I check I am basically giving up on the hand.

ship against these morons. wtf, not even close

You got the best turn card in the deck. You should shove. A lot of hands between your two opponents are going to be pair + draw type hands, I think we can get value from a lot of worse hands on the turn, so I bet.

What is the goal of the $45 F bet with a $108 pot? It's not folding out any Qs, Js, 7s nor maybe Ts.

With $170 or maybe $115 effective left it's push or punt. Punt leaves you with a turn guess when they push but you're up against a board that is awful. Your equity got hammered on the flop and I'm checking there.

ok to my thinking and the results.
Firstly I couldnt shove the flop b/c UTG had about $500 so I wanted to have an easy bet/fold if he raises or shoves. I thought I was snap calling if V1 jammed over and would have a bit of desision if V2 jammed over.
OTT, I thought **** it, 1/2 PSB left, im probally ahead of their calling range lets jam. V1 snap called with TT (he only had $70 left anyways) and V2 sigh folded and was very upset when the turn brought a Q so I think he probally had a straight draw and maybe a pair to go along with it.

With our tilty image, looseness of the table, and the fact that we have 7 potential donks that could call a big raise preflop, I would have raised much larger preflop if all the stacks are < $200, something big enough that would have set me up for an easy flop shove. So I would probably make it $65-$75 preflop. I think it's a mistake going to the flop 4+ ways with big pocket pairs (or maybe it's just because I find most of these postflop situations extremely difficult).

I'm not really sure about the flop. It's a horrible flop that has lottsa draws and also smashes a lot of ranges; we could easily be behind or, at best, sometimes flipping against a pair + draw combo. Can we think of checking this flop? Especially considering any bet that gets action is going to put us in an easy shove situation on the turn?

As played, on the turn there are very little stacks left compared to the pot. I think the only play at this point is to shove and hope we're best.

GcluelessNLnoobG

its limped to me at $2. If i made it $65 to $75 i pretty much always get folds. I think $25-30 is better sizing. I did consider checking. When this hand came up I actually remembered a hand on 2+2 with a somewhat similar situation where a few posters recommended checking. In game I though villains were too loose passive for me to check there. If vilains were deeper I might consider checking there or bet/folding. Again it just goes back to the fact that the effective stack sizes are damn awkward.

absolutely. is anyone really considering folding to a shove?

But $25-$30 wasn't good because it got us 3 callers, which sets up ugly postflop spots (such as this one) where we are now playing for our whole stack. If we raise huge, we might get than one player to bite, in which case (a) he's made an enormous mistake and (b) postflop is dead simple. At the very "worst", if everyone folds we take down 7 BB uncontested (which I'm guessing is way over the amount of BBs AA typically makes on average).

I think maybe 25-30 is fine and just happened to get multiway this particular time. In my experience, $25 preflop will get heads up 75% of the time and 3 way another 10%. Bad spot. When a short stack outflops my aces, I just chalk it up to variance. I'm never getting away from an overpair against a LP short stack idiot.

Preflop looks ok, I get what GG is saying, but if 15 is the standard, $25 has to be enough, we just got a bunch of calls. $30 may be marginally better.

Are we always cbetting this flop? We have 3 other players who l/c'd meaning this flop hits their ranges decently (and presumably misses ours pretty decently) and we hate KQJT987 turns. That's something like ~46% of turn cards or something. Once we cbet the flop we are going to struggle folding turns because the pot will be so big and potentially give us 4:1 on some calls.

As played we should be shoving this turn card. But in general, is this flop a cbet?