Situation: A ridiculously loose table about an hour ago is slowly turning into a moderately loose table as we have lost a couple of the wild, loose players and replaced them with tighter players.

V1 (250): 60ish white guy, really loose pre-flop and from what I can tell is just pushing buttons post-flop w/o any real strategy. He bought in for 200, called down JJ on a A2459 board against a tight player when the player went all in 100 into a 100 pot. Tight player was bluffing and V1 is really proud of himself. Also seen V1 bet 25 IP on the river into a 60 pot against one opponent on a KK1043 board w/ 10 8 which seemed like a classic case of only being called by better hands. He's frequently bet 15ish on the flop, turn, and river OOP when he's mildly hit the flop even into several opponents. I haven't seen super aggression out of him though.

V2 (400): 50ish Asian man, seemed really loose when the table was loose, but has tightened up now and isn't playing many hands and is folding a lot on the flop.

Hero (450): 30ish white guy, a true TAG image as I've entered few pots but almost always was pre-flop raiser and have won most of them w/ c bets or turn bets.

V1 straddles button 5, V2 calls in EP, folds to Hero in CO w/ AA who raises to 20, V1 calls, V2 calls.

Flop (60): K73 V2 checks, Hero bets 50, V1 raises to 100, V2 folds, Hero??

Open bigger in the straddled pot, imo. I make it $25. Quibble, though.

The dreaded min-raise from a LP MAWG when you block the NFD and he straddle/called OOP. Sure looks like 2P or a set. Still, some Ks are in his range, we have position, he often sizes "same bet" and we are getting great odds with an overpair and BDNFD. I call and re-evaluate turn.

If he bets same bet, I likely call even if it's a blank. If he bets big, I fold unless we picked up the NFD or toppest set. If he checks, I check it back and try to realize our SDV.

Garrick - V1 straddled BTN so is actually IP vs hero in CO.

Effective stacks after V1 raises flop are $130 and pot is $210. I think given low SPR and being OOP we have to shove or fold vs this minraise.

We don't really have a read on how V1 plays top pair or better. We know he probably doesn't have a weak hand below top pair since he has shown a propensity to call down or make small bets with those.

It is murky but I range V1 on: KX+ and given that he is very loose preflop I think he has a lot more KX than two pair and sets. Is he loose enough to play K3 or 73? That seems at least a bit unlikely. Without 73 he has 9 sets and 18 2-pair. He can surely have AK KQ KJ KT K9 for 54 combos of KX meaning we're 2:1 to beat him if he calls off the rest with KX as well as two-pair+ (which his call down with JJ suggests he will).

I think I just shove flop and hope his earlier pride at picking off a tight player's bluff is his undoing.

The danger of calling is that he reverts to small bets with KX and we somehow don't get his stack. Or a third diamond shuts him down on the turn or river. He seems like a massive fish and I'm happy to take the risk I own myself against 2-pair+

Missed that it was a BTN straddle. This increases my desire for a bigger open pre, as he will defend even wider on the BTN.

Still prefer a call though, as I doubt his TPmehK and below call the shove.

My initial reaction is to shove.


I'm interested what others have to say.

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calling here is way better than shoving. it looks like he has kqish. there arent really any bad cards for us. we even block villain's scare cards. we can also fold if a king comes. if a brick comes on the turn, i would c/gii. if a diamond comes, i would lead 35 and shove river for 95

I can't see V1 holding KK. I can see him holding Kx. This would be inline with his only calling your raise pre, and protecting his top pair with his flop raise. I think if V1 had KK pre he would want to end the hand before the flop as there is enough $ in the pot to be happy with? It is certain V1 doesn't have K 7, or K 3. He may have a runner runner flush draw, but that goes against his flop raise.

I'm thinking the raise is a flush blocker directed towards V2, but then I'm watching from the peanut gallery. I'm with you on the shove or fold. I think all the chips are going in anyway if you remain in the hand. May as well leverage the tools you have available (your chips).

I don't think this particular villain will be able to get away from top pair here but I do accept calling is a reasonable route to take - as long as we aren't talking ourselves into folding later in the hand too often!

I'm guessing villain has KdXd. He's aggressively playing his top pair with flush draw. You can shove. If your conservative, call and shove turn.

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