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Old 05-10-2019, 12:14 AM   #1
Phraust
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1/2 with AA - 3 ways to the flop

Hero 600$ 1/2 live.

SB is eff stack with 100$~. He is an older man, kind of omc. Watched him call a 10$ raise pre with KK and win a big pot against QQ. Doesnt seem to get out of line from what I've seen.

Utg+2 is splashy, likes to play pretty much anything. Even admitting it the whole time to the entire table. Raising pre blind sometimes.

Hero AsAc in MP

Utg+2 raise to 5$, hero 3bet to 20$, SB and UTG+2 call

Flop ($63) QsKc5s
SB donks for 27$, utg+2 tank call, hero?

I can see reasons to flat or raise.

I felt sb maybe had KQ or some K maybe he wouldnt fold. Either way with what he has behind I'm never folding so I'm mostly just concerned with utg. Utg could have just about anything. Since he tanked I figure he doesnt have anything beating us at the moment. But even if he just has a Q here i figure hes folding on the turn and not putting anymore money in unless he hits his 2nd pair or trips.

There are a lot of bad turn cards for hero and villains. They may be hesitant to put anymore money in if a scare card hits. Anything that completes a straight draw, or spade. K or Q depending on which one they dont have too. If we flat and it bricks we can probably get a lot more value. SB probably shoves. Unless they were on draws.
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Old 05-10-2019, 12:58 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 with AA - 3 ways to the flop

Flat and try to play a side pot with splashy guy
Esp with As
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Old 05-10-2019, 02:37 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2 with AA - 3 ways to the flop

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Since he tanked I figure he doesnt have anything beating us at the moment.
Yeah, because villain would never ever try to feign weakness, he would always snap act with his big hands.

What is UTG+2's stack size? That's kinda important.

In the KK hand that OMC had against Queens, how did he play the hand? Did he bet or raise at any time?

You mention that UTG+2 is loose, but don't mention whether he's passive or aggressive post-flop. In general, even loose players tend to play more straight-forward in 3! pots, so something to keep in mind.

UTG+2 just flatting is rather interesting. Could mean strength (the pre-flop three-better is still to act, and could also call or even raise), could mean a draw (Kxs?, JT?) Knowing his stack size would help.

We have the A in our hand, which kinda sucks (nobody can have the nut-flush draw).

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There are a lot of bad turn cards for hero and villains. They may be hesitant to put anymore money in if a scare card hits. Anything that completes a straight draw, or spade.
Those aren't scare cards for villains, those are cards you don't want to see.

With AA and limited chance to improve - we probably don't want to hit a set - I'm inclined to just call and evaluate, but it's a sucky spot due to the stack sizes. If we call, the pot will be $117 and SB only has $53 yet. If he ships turn and UTG+ calls, do we need to fold? Probably, depending on the turn card. If they both check the turn we really don't want to check behind and give a free card...yuck.

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Old 05-10-2019, 04:35 AM   #4
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Re: 1/2 with AA - 3 ways to the flop

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What is UTG+2's stack size? That's kinda important.
He has about 280$ at the start of the hand.

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In the KK hand that OMC had against Queens, how did he play the hand? Did he bet or raise at any time?
Unfortunately I didn't get to see the whole hand (of course one of the only ones I missed) because I got up to get a soda. All I saw was Villain pre flop made it 10$ in LJ and OMC called in sb. I came back to omc calling an all in on the river. Villain was kind of short stacked though about 120$ to start the hand. Board looked something like 77943. Assuming he x/c the whole way but idk.

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You mention that UTG+2 is loose, but don't mention whether he's passive or aggressive post-flop. In general, even loose players tend to play more straight-forward in 3! pots, so something to keep in mind.
He's pretty straight forward post flop. Not all loosey goosey like. Bets when he hits and sometimes calls light. Haven't seen him raise much or be agro.

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UTG+2 just flatting is rather interesting. Could mean strength (the pre-flop three-better is still to act, and could also call or even raise), could mean a draw (Kxs?, JT?) Knowing his stack size would help.
Like you said earlier "it's not like he can't feign weakness" is true, but from what I've seen he's pretty talkative and quick to act. Even with big hands. This hand was a little different because he tanked. He really looked like he felt iffy about calling. Yeah he could fake it, but since he sat down he's been talking about how he hits 2 pair constantly with crap, likes to play just about anything, he's been making raises pre in the dark, etc. He just looked uncomfortable this hand. If he had a set, or 2 pair, he would have most likely acted a lot faster.

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Those aren't scare cards for villains, those are cards you don't want to see.
These are scare cards for the both of us. Yes I don't want to see them, but I also don't want it to kill the action. If OMC has Kx or something he's going to hate to see the draws get there or a Q. It will be harder to build a pot. As of right now he can feel better getting it in on the flop imo. Though I'm more concerned with getting the most out of UTGs stack, he will feel the same way if the turn is a bad card. If we raise here, then OMC shoves, UTG might be more inclined to call with JT, some other draw, or a weak K. He's admitted many times hes a gambler. With the flop bet he's getting great odds to see a turn with his weak holdings that could improve to 2 pair, small flush draws or a straight draw. If he has QJ or some other weak holding and turn is a brick he's probably folding anyway.

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If we call, the pot will be $117 and SB only has $53 yet.
Pot will actually be $144 if we call
63$ on flop, 27$ bet with UTG and hero call.

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Old 05-11-2019, 12:25 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 with AA - 3 ways to the flop

I look at this a different way

OMC feels like hes super strong

he calls a 3! for 20 OOP and then leads on a kqx flop lmao

UTG2 is likely weak IMO, i wouldnt count on getting much more from him

OMC has AK KK or QQ

UTG2 probably has kbad qx or possibly a draw and is worried about calling because you may raise

I'd go 80 now, would probably be more cautious if OMC was deeper
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Old 05-11-2019, 12:34 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 with AA - 3 ways to the flop

yeah just call
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