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Old 12-18-2020, 07:28 PM   #1
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1/2 AA

V : pretty typical OMC has 250

H: probably viewed as Tag covers V

Folds to H On button 8

v callS SB BB FOLDS

(18) Flop 4x 6x Qx

Check 8 call

(34) turn K

V 30 h call

(94) 4x v 75

Hero?
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Old 12-18-2020, 08:29 PM   #2
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All in. 4x doesn’t lead the turn unless it was 2P, and OMCs don’t play hands like K4 for raises OOP. If he does then it adds a lot of other weak hands into his range to get value from anyway. Other full houses are possible but also unlikely combinatorically and due to action. We can get value from hands like KQ, AK.
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Old 12-18-2020, 11:01 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2 AA

We can't get value from KQ as that has us beat.

And typical OMCs also don't 3! QQ And sometimes KK pre-flop because they are afraid of the exact hand hero has. I'm not worried about any 4s but when a typical OMC calls flop, donks turn and leads river, they can beat 1 pair.

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Old 12-18-2020, 11:08 PM   #4
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We can't get value from KQ as that has us beat.

And typical OMCs also don't 3! QQ And sometimes KK pre-flop because they are afraid of the exact hand hero has. I'm not worried about any 4s but when a typical OMC calls flop, donks turn and leads river, they can beat 1 pair.

Fold
River paired the 4x. We only lose to trips or better.

If it hadnít folding is too extreme of an exploit. AA is too strong to fold because itís not a pure bluffcatcher.
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Old 12-18-2020, 11:24 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 AA

That's why I don't post much because I'm usually wrong.. my bad.
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Old 12-18-2020, 11:32 PM   #6
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For the most part I would flat the river. Hero's hand is a bit too good to give up at that point but a raise will mostly get called by better hands. Two things to consider really.

What is in your OMC's range? Is your OMC bad enough to play AK or any worse hands this way? AK is an odd float on the flop, AQ is being over played. Will he call with pairs preflop? Are 66 and 44 in his range? Any chance of KK/QQ?

The other thing to consider is if you can get any worse hands to call a shove. If he will only call a shove with KQ or a boat then most of his calling hands beat you if he plays 66/44. If he can turn up with AK/AQ and can't give up TPTK then shoving might be good.

Against a typical OMC I would never be making this river decision. I would fold one pair on the turn when the OMC donks into hero. A typical OMC would call down here with AK/AQ and the donk is a hand that beats one pair.
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Old 12-19-2020, 04:34 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2 AA

I want to raise for value, but itís hard to pull the trigger against an OMC that might fold a Queen


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Old 12-20-2020, 02:53 AM   #8
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Against a true OMC turn is a snap fold
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Old 12-20-2020, 11:09 PM   #9
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Against a true OMC turn is a snap fold
+1 though I think people use the term very loosley.

No 4x in his range, no 6x in his range.

Probably a boat here.

All this said I always end up paying them off. LOL at raising

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Old 12-21-2020, 01:55 AM   #10
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Re: 1/2 AA

Assuming suits are irrelevant

I don’t hate a turn fold vs an omc because x/c flop, lead pot on the turn raises all kinds of alarm bells

AP not folding river because vying beat KQ at the very least in addition to the remaking combos of AK that usually won’t fold flop. Jamming seems like an overplay otr and you’re image would have to be pretty bad for that to be best imo
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Old 12-21-2020, 02:05 PM   #11
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If he is a "chock full o nuts" old man coffee, than you'd have to think he likely flopped or turned a set (6s anyone?) and could have quads or boat. But if he's even a bit less conservative I think a call is in order -- remember if he has KQ and puts you on AK, he still beats your "two pair". If he thinks you are solid but aggressive, then he may well be betting the best two pair here. You know you have AA, but he doesn't. I'd call here, because I think aces up can be good against hands he'd plausibly bet. But I wouldn't raise.

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Old 12-21-2020, 02:40 PM   #12
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+1 though I think people use the term very loosley.

No 4x in his range, no 6x in his range.

Probably a boat here.

All this said I always end up paying them off. LOL at raising
I think I might ammend this since to more likely since I do thnk KQ is likely, though as an OMC we should probably limit this to KQs. If we do include KQo then we should also include 44, 66.

If we range him at QQ, KQs and discounted (50%?), KK, KQo, 44, 66, not sure what that equals, but it might just be a call or close.
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Old 12-21-2020, 03:32 PM   #13
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He had 66
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Old 12-21-2020, 05:23 PM   #14
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I think I might ammend this since to more likely since I do thnk KQ is likely, though as an OMC we should probably limit this to KQs. If we do include KQo then we should also include 44, 66.

If we range him at QQ, KQs and discounted (50%?), KK, KQo, 44, 66, not sure what that equals, but it might just be a call or close.
It almost seems like you're contemplating a river fold?

There are 9 combos of KQ, which already gives us > 50% equity since KK/QQ would usually 3-bet. If he can have QQ+ he can have AK as well, and there's no reason for villain to think AK isn't winning. Just calling is missing value even if villain never bets turn without 2P+. KQ is very unlikely to find a river fold.

I think you're too quick to make massive adjustments because of a label. We don't actually have any evidence of why OP thinks villain is OMC. Villain probably isn't the same as the ultra specific idea of what an OMC is in your head, and flatting is a huge mistake against 99% of the population.

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He had 66
Did you call or jam?
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Old 12-21-2020, 06:11 PM   #15
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I think it's an ok call, a too-tight fold unless you know villain super well and a really bad raise. Basically he can bet KQ, KK/QQ/66/44 here, pot is giving you better than even odds, bet size is moderate. With the soul read that this guy is just not betting with less than a boat, you could make a tough lay down, but I think that's not a play with random oppononents in a 1-2 game.
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Old 12-21-2020, 10:38 PM   #16
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OMC is an extreme label and warrants extreme exploits. OP could have labeled villain as tight or even a nit but he chose to give the tightest label possible, presumably for a reason.
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Old 12-22-2020, 12:33 PM   #17
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OMC is an extreme label and warrants extreme exploits. OP could have labeled villain as tight or even a nit but he chose to give the tightest label possible, presumably for a reason.
I agreee, but people throw it out very casually. For me a pre-flop range for an OMC is 10/5/1 at most and often tighter, and continuing to be very tight post.
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Old 12-22-2020, 05:16 PM   #18
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I see people in here call someone an OMC, and then they show down KJo that they played as a limp call. I see people get called TAGs who go on to cold call JJ v MP opens or make min-3 bets.

Itís great to ask other smart people their opinion on your play, but itís going to be hard to give hugely exploitative advice against someone none of us play.

If heís really that OMC, we can fold turn


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