Villain 1 (SB): He is on the fishier side. Calls super wide pre and generally his aggression means he is strong. Although one hand he donked into me with 3 to the flop with 2nd pair and a gutshot.

Villain 2 (UTG): Table donk. Donked up a stack of around 300-400bbs.

Hero: Standard TAG, not getting out of line. SB knows I am capable of folding made hands, if he remembers from the week before.


$1/2 NL
UTG (~$700)
Hero UTG+1 ($290)
SB ($800)
Hijack ($~100)
Button (~$400)

Hero is dealt A9

UTG raises BLIND to $12, Hero reraises to $30, Hijack calls $30, Button calls $30, SB calls $30, UTG calls $30.

I figure I should be isolating UTG since he is who I want to play pots with. I guess I should have made it bigger. Any comments on wether or not I should be doing this with A9s after his blind raise from UTG+1?


Flop ($122) AQ10

SB bets $100, UTG fold, Hero?

With only $160 (SB is probably calling) behind this bet and 2 more people behind, what is the best option? I can't just call right? Folding just seems soooooo nitty.

Pre is awful fold you have 8 ppl behind you.

As played get it in duh. There is absolutely no question here

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I don't like the 3bet with A9s against a gambler (clearly he is, because he raised blindly). Axs plays well muti-way because of its ability to stack a lesser flush. I you really wanted to iso, 3b to 40$. I would have made that move with 99+, AQ+ only.

As played, insta-jam flop.

Pre I don't like that raise with that hand in that position. Flop is a jam he pretty much put half of his stack in on the flop which means he's trying to get it in. So get it in!

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Fold pre.

AP, shove.

/thread

Fold flop as played, you're a huge dog against sets and there's a str8 out there plus ppl behind you

I obviously have to get it in on the flop. Why though? Am I just hoping to hit a flush? I have no fold equity here.

Thanks for all the help.

If you fold you're an OMC lol. I guess TT is possible, you don't think QQ or AA are getting more in pf? I don't know why you're mubs here, there are so many hands that we are ahead of right now. You'd be surprised how many times KQ, QT, KT, JT, QJ, worse Ax, worse fds get this far.

The fact that the pot is 250 is a factor. Bottom line, if you're playing A9s like this pre, and are even considering a fold on this type of flop, something isn't adding up.

[QUOTE=eldiesel;39436247]If you fold you're an OMC lol. I guess TT is possible, you don't think QQ or AA are getting more in pf? I don't know why you're mubs here, there are so many hands that we are ahead of right now. You'd be surprised how many times KQ, QT, KT, JT, QJ, worse Ax, worse fds get this far.



Hook line and sinker



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Pre-flop is a fold. If you 3bet with A9s into 6-7 dudes you got a high risk tolerance. I mean, I really don't like your play. As of now on the flop you got to figure if there's gona be some other dudes coming for the draw. So, call or just bet to get called. If they do then you build on the turn so that you can shove the river. Let the dudes behind coming in. Don't scare them yet. There's no any other play.

Consider limping in and occasionally calling a raise with a weak Ace suited. Some players avoid this range of hands because they are concerned about their low kicker. Of course, you should not play weak Ace hands just to pair the ace. Any suited ace can be worth some small investment because you have a chance to make the nuts if you flop a flush or the nut draw to the flush. The odds of flopping a flush are very long, but if you manage to flop a flush draw (about 9 to 1 odds against), you might be able to see the turn card cheaply or perhaps for free. If you hit your flush and catch someone playing a smaller flush, you can take his whole stack. If your weak ace isn’t suited, it is a trouble hand. Playing draws is not a key part of your strategy, but the reality is that you won’t flop a lot of flushes or straights, so you can play these starting hands hoping to flop a big draw, and then hoping to see the turn cheaply, if not for free.

AK

Preflop: Fold for reasons already mentioned.

Flop: The SB made a serious bet on a serious board. You're probably losing and you have no FE. Call flop and hope others come along on this action board, giving you an even better price. The intention is to call a blank turn also. I really don't see the point in raising the flop in this spot.

Interesting line. The instant feeling is to shove but I guess if you plan on getting the money in you might as well try to get more of it. I just don't know how you would proceed on a turn blank or board pairing it just seems easier to ship it on flop.



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In all reality debating how to play this is silly. We should never be in this spot or spots like it. Preflop is so bad that this should be a one time spot

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His point though is that if you're going to go all the way with it, then why not do it in a way that gets you more potential reward. The only way you call the flop is if you're committed to going all the way and you want to rope more in. If you're on the fence about it, then you have to either shove or fold. Once you call, you're committed.

Here's what you're equity will be on the turn on a blank (2):

(Let me know if you have any problem with the above range.)

If no one else calls on the flop, you'll be getting 2-1 odds to call on the turn. Given your equity above it appears you have a slight fold. However, that range above may be too tight. I only have the SB betting two ******ed hands on the flop: A8s & A9s. Widen that range a tad and we have a marginal call on the turn. Either way, it's close enough where I would call. As Harrington would say, if it's close, always take the "giving action" route.

What's interesting to note is the board pairing really doesn't change much. If the turn is a Q or a T, you still have around 31% equity against the range above:

As you can imagine, the board pairing hurts you and helps you against villain's range so it roughly cancels out.

And also notice, IF one player calls on the flop behind us, then the turn goes from a marginal call to a clear call. Either way, I think taking this line (call call) is better than shoving the flop in a spot where we have no FE against a strong range.

Ilovepoker wins, agree with trying to get as much money in as possible with call call as played of course, I don't think 3betting is THAT bad if you have twice your stack, with your stack size, I'm assuming the only reason your playing this hand right here is to try to get into a pot with labeled donk with that being said flat/fold to a raise. As played Ilovepoker has it spot on.