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09-10-2018 , 06:54 AM
Live $1/2. Stack size ~$150 to $600.

UTG folds
Hero ($160) UTG+1 A 7 bets $10
2 folds
HJ (~$250) calls
CO folds
BO (~$300) calls
SB & BB fold

Flop $33: 5 9 5

Hero bets $15
HJ folds
BO raises $35

Hero?

Any thoughts/comments?
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09-10-2018 , 07:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhad
Live $1/2. Stack size ~$150 to $600.

UTG folds
Hero ($160) UTG+1 A 7 bets $10
2 folds
HJ (~$250) calls
CO folds
BO (~$300) calls
SB & BB fold

Flop $33: 5 9 5

Hero bets $15
HJ folds
BO raises $35

Hero?

Any thoughts/comments?
my 1st thought
why wasn't the hand in the muck before the dealer pitched the button his 2nd card?
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09-10-2018 , 07:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by snowman
my 1st thought
why wasn't the hand in the muck before the dealer pitched the button his 2nd card?
Is it such a stretch to open A7s on a early position once in a while?
I guess that's something I would do about 25% of the time (in this case I was card dead for more than 1 hr and I wanted to see some action).

How about the action on the flop?
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09-10-2018 , 07:23 AM
It depends on the table. A lot of times I will muck this hand in this position. And sometimes I will limp. And sometimes I will raise.

As played, call.




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09-10-2018 , 07:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhad
Is it such a stretch to open A7s on a early position once in a while?
I guess that's something I would do about 25% of the time (in this case I was card dead for more than 1 hr and I wanted to see some action).

How about the action on the flop?
25% of time is way to much

I would rather have A4 or A5 suited which can make straights

answer this to yourself

if 3-bet would you call, fold, 4-bet this ?

opening in late pos with A7 sure fine
UTG +1 not so fine

as played call
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09-10-2018 , 07:51 AM
Opening the hand is usually OK but you might be a bit short stacked here.

Any info on villain? I guess I'm calling, not super thrilled about it.
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09-10-2018 , 09:12 AM
seems too short stacked to open A7s UTG+1 here. I think placing it in the muck is better vs most 1/2 lineups where 4betting with this hand is suicide. As played it's at least a call
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09-10-2018 , 12:29 PM
Villain was rather loose aggressive and rather sticky, but I saw him lay down after a raise a few times.
From what I saw, he could definitively get there with a 9 (at least 89, T9, K9, A9) and he could take the line of raising with it (I think).

I was playing rather tight (actually card dead) and with an early position raise, I though I might rep an overpair, and with a top flush draw as backup I decided to shove ($115 more).

Villain called and showed 85o.

Board runs A Q

So... my mistakes?
- opening too wide (given my position/stack size)?
- c-bet?
- re-raise shove?
(all of the above?)
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09-10-2018 , 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhad
Live $1/2. Stack size ~$150 to $600.

UTG folds
Hero ($160) UTG+1 A 7 bets $10
2 folds
HJ (~$250) calls
CO folds
BO (~$300) calls
SB & BB fold

Flop $33: 5 9 5

Hero bets $15
HJ folds
BO raises $35

Hero?

Any thoughts/comments?
Yeah, fold pre. Basically always

Ap just shove
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09-10-2018 , 12:55 PM
Without reads on the table it's pretty difficult to give good advice on how to play this hand pre-flop.
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09-10-2018 , 02:24 PM
Grunch:

Personally I've stopped routinely opening AXs < AT from EP but can understand doing it at times. Not sure this is one of them from information given in OP.

Flop is paired so we're not drawing to the nuts - this is not something I'm quite keen on these days. I don't mind doing battle heads-up vs an aggressive opponent with non-nut draws but OOP and multiway I'm looking to be very choosy when I put my stack at risk.

Nevertheless, we have NFD and an over card and our 7 is potentially live so no reason not to cbet this board.

When we get raised I'm putting V on strong 9X TT/JJ 5X 99 and FDs. However, we obviously block a ton of FDs including the combo draws with 76cc/87cc. He can obviously have KXcc and QXcc which we're totally crushing.

If V does raise 9X and over pairs we have tons of equity against most of his range but little fold equity because we hardly ever have 5X or a boat here and V can imagine we'd bet our FDs on this board and maybe even 3bet with them. So against that type of villain i'm happy to flat and evaluate turn. We're getting a great price so even OOP I'm happy taking the passive line.

If V only raises semibluffs and 5X+ then we also don't have much fold equity (low stakes villains love GII with FDs and overs). While we're obviously overjoyed GII Vs his FDs we don't want to get it in vs 5X and obviously gii Vs 99 is a total disaster. Therefore I am again happy to just flat flop raise and evaluate turn.

So I flat the raise even though I hate drawing to non-nut hands.
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09-10-2018 , 02:35 PM
Response to your results questions:

Stack size is a little low to open small AXs in EP but I'd still do it at times depending on the players I'm up against.

Cbet is again very player dependent. E.g. If they're all passive stations then I'd just check and see if I can draw for free. If they're all really fit/fold-ABC I might well cbet this sort of paired lowish flop. With an overly aggro player behind me I may not cbet here since I have more than enough equity to X/C.

Shoving flop is, again, player dependent. Like I said above I'm mostly flatting here against both main raising ranges. However, if I knew Villain well and he was horribly unbalanced (trap all 2-pair+ and only raise with draws and mediocre top-pairs) I'd happily shove here.
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09-10-2018 , 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Minatorr
Yeah, fold pre. Basically always
This is way too nitty. At loose-passive tables that routinely see 4+ players to the flop with no raise, this seems like a standard limp.
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09-10-2018 , 02:52 PM
Don't really like your weak sizing for the c-bet, and the button is pushing back against your weakness. You have too much equity to fold, but your position now really sucks since the button has taken control of the hand.

If you call the 35, you are only going to have 115 left into a pot of 100.

In this spot, I prefer a call and then lead out an A, K, Q, or club. But shoving is not much worse.
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09-10-2018 , 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhad
Villain was rather loose aggressive and rather sticky, but I saw him lay down after a raise a few times.
From what I saw, he could definitively get there with a 9 (at least 89, T9, K9, A9) and he could take the line of raising with it (I think).

I was playing rather tight (actually card dead) and with an early position raise, I though I might rep an overpair, and with a top flush draw as backup I decided to shove ($115 more).

Villain called and showed 85o.

Board runs A Q

So... my mistakes?
- opening too wide (given my position/stack size)?
- c-bet?
- re-raise shove?
(all of the above?)
given that you were playing tight, it seems that V had noticed and given your credit for an overpair to the 9. Given that, you could have folded to the raise on the flop.
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09-10-2018 , 03:11 PM
Preflop is meh. Probably a fold against most tables but not the worst thing in the world.

This hand is a great hand to check on the flop and get to showdown cheaply. We're rarely getting better to fold. And worse hands that will call on this flop will probably also stab at it.

As played, call and probably fold turn UI.
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09-10-2018 , 03:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragequit99
Nevertheless, we have NFD and an over card and our 7 is potentially live so no reason not to cbet this board.
This is exactly the reason NOT to c-bet this board. We have too much equity against hands that will raise us (but not enough equity to fist-pump jam, imo). This makes for a great pot control/bluff catch/get to showdown/realize our equity type spot.
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09-10-2018 , 03:27 PM
^ true and I definitely would X flop in certain spots particularly if IP V is loose and aggressive postflop.

Edit: there's no reason in OP to sway me one way or another between cbet or check. I suppose in a vacuum I would have a high cbet% with only one player IP and a somewhat hard to hit board. In that case I'd have an unbalanced checking range multiway till someone started taking advantage of me then I'd start protecting my checking range more. This is a perfect hand to protect our checking range.

Last edited by Ragequit99; 09-10-2018 at 03:32 PM.
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09-10-2018 , 05:54 PM
Fold pre. Especially fold pre if you're going to 5x (which you should in live 1/2 with a narrow and value-injected range).

AP just shove. You're only dead against a few combos and this sizing is often an information raise anyway (basically a flop minraise). Of course if this player is more competent postflop (or more passive), then this raise needs to be respected.
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09-11-2018 , 10:55 AM
with an 80 bb stack fold pre I would rather limp/call a PP than a med suited ace that would still need to improve post flop and we're OOP which makes things harder.

As played, I would call since I don't think you have any FE with only $100 more behind. I would have to think we're 30% at best, not a spot I love getting all my money in.
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09-11-2018 , 12:59 PM
Meh pre is whatever you prob shouldn't be opening on your stack for 5x from UTG+1 but if you were opening 3x this would be standard even on your stack 4x is prob fine as well, one of the bottom opens in your range (3x but live is soft etc...), on the flop its V dependent but against a trickier V (or one that will attack this board I don't mind a c/call with your exact hand bet calling our AcKc-AcTc type hands
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