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12-15-2018 , 12:11 AM
Hero($600): 20 Year old white male. Have been card dead so I've been playing tight pre, but I've been absolutely smashing flops. Table is full of regs and average to solid players and deepstacks. However up to this point I don't believe are any crushers at the table just competent players.

V(Covers slightly): Reads on V are that he calls too much and value bets thinly. Overall likely a losing player.

Two limps, Hero raises to 13 from A5dd from HJ, CO, BTN, SB and V(LJ) call.
Reason I raised was because the table was very aggro pre so I wasn't expecting to see a flop for $2. I wanted the initiative and I'm not far from the button.

Flop($77): Qd8c3d

Checks to V who donks 30. Hero decides to flat.

This is where I think I made a mistake. I decided to flat because I was getting more than good enough odds to call, and I wanted someone else to come along to build a pot. However my raise range bluffs are going to be AKdd, AJdd, ATdd, JTdd, T9dd, and j9dd.
That makes A5dd my 7th best bluff, so I would be slightly overbluffing since I won't raise Q8s and 33 from the HJ. However, if I'm going to raise AA or KK here occasionally then it makes sense to raise.

Anyway, everyone else folds.

Turn($137): 7s
V snap bets 100
Considered shipping here but V felt super strong here and I didn't feel like I had much FE so I decided on a fold.

What do we think about a raise on the flop and is the Pre-flop raise fine given the game dynamic.
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12-15-2018 , 01:09 AM
Pre is fine as is call, depends on your ranges. Flop call is fine. Fold turn.
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12-15-2018 , 01:42 AM
Raising isn't terrible or anything but I certainly prefer limping. This hand likes implied odds. I don't think your reasoning makes sense. I assume you expect the hand to go like 4-5 ways, in which case initiative isn't worth very much and you're just opening yourself up to be threebet.

Flop call seems normal. You can't just reason about what bluffs you should have like that because you're neglecting the value that you might otherwise get from overcalls.

Turn fold is standard.
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12-15-2018 , 03:49 AM
As played folding turn is fine but against a weaker flop sizing I think I prefer a raise. Wheel redraw is also nice
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12-15-2018 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt98
Hero($600): 20 Year old white male. Have been card dead so I've been playing tight pre, but I've been absolutely smashing flops. Table is full of regs and average to solid players and deepstacks. However up to this point I don't believe are any crushers at the table just competent players.

V(Covers slightly): Reads on V are that he calls too much and value bets thinly. Overall likely a losing player.

Two limps, Hero raises to 13 from A5dd from HJ, CO, BTN, SB and V(LJ) call.
Reason I raised was because the table was very aggro pre so I wasn't expecting to see a flop for $2. I wanted the initiative and I'm not far from the button.

Flop($77): Qd8c3d

Checks to V who donks 30. Hero decides to flat.

This is where I think I made a mistake. I decided to flat because I was getting more than good enough odds to call, and I wanted someone else to come along to build a pot. However my raise range bluffs are going to be AKdd, AJdd, ATdd, JTdd, T9dd, and j9dd.
That makes A5dd my 7th best bluff, so I would be slightly overbluffing since I won't raise Q8s and 33 from the HJ. However, if I'm going to raise AA or KK here occasionally then it makes sense to raise.

Anyway, everyone else folds.

Turn($137): 7s
V snap bets 100
Considered shipping here but V felt super strong here and I didn't feel like I had much FE so I decided on a fold.

What do we think about a raise on the flop and is the Pre-flop raise fine given the game dynamic.
I prefer to limp pre, but if I'm raising I go at least $17. If I'm bluff raising, I would do it on the turn, especially if it's a 2 or 4. As played fold turn
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12-15-2018 , 07:48 AM
Flop I think I like a raise, he can be donking with 8x or a weak underpair and it puts him in a world of hurt.

Turn seems like a call to me, folding cant be terrible tho. He can be leading with worse draws occasionally and we have almost enough equity vs Qx, and implied odds. We need 30.58% equity to call, and your read that he value bets thinly, means he has more than just Qx here.

Last edited by Minatorr; 12-15-2018 at 07:57 AM.
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12-15-2018 , 01:43 PM
Since I raised pre, I like raising his donk with this lovely flop. As played, folding turn is fine and good with your read.
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12-15-2018 , 02:38 PM
I probably bet a bit larger pre with 2 limpers in front of me. My normal first to act bet is 10 bucks, so two limpers I probably go 15-20, depending on how the table has been playing.

I'm also fine with flop call, you've got a draw and you're getting good odds.

I'm also fine with a turn fold. You're not getting direct odds, and flushes are obvious and scary to people, so even if you get the diamond on the river, you're unlikely to get implied odds.
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12-15-2018 , 04:33 PM
Its fine how you played it. V donks pot into 4 players which is a sign of strength. If he would lead 1/2 pot or smaller i would raise.
I like the fold ott because when the most obvious draw gets there on the river it is very unlikely we will get paid.
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12-15-2018 , 09:00 PM
I guess what I'm wondering is, will we make more money by calling flop and hoping for overcalls or raising flop and adding fold equity along with being able to see a free river.
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12-15-2018 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt98
I guess what I'm wondering is, will we make more money by calling flop and hoping for overcalls or raising flop and adding fold equity along with being able to see a free river.
Raise the flop. Almost nobody donks into the raiser with a strong hand. I would raise here if we were 100BBs deep but when considerably deeper I'm raising for sure.
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12-15-2018 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Raise the flop. Almost nobody donks into the raiser with a strong hand. I would raise here if we were 100BBs deep but when considerably deeper I'm raising for sure.
I see that a lot from people with sets and 2pair when they want to "protect" in multiway pots.
Usually they donk smaller when it is for "info".
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12-15-2018 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt98
Hero($600): 20 Year old white male. Have been card dead so I've been playing tight pre, but I've been absolutely smashing flops. Table is full of regs and average to solid players and deepstacks. However up to this point I don't believe are any crushers at the table just competent players.

V(Covers slightly): Reads on V are that he calls too much and value bets thinly. Overall likely a losing player.

Two limps, Hero raises to 13 from A5dd from HJ, CO, BTN, SB and V(LJ) call.
Reason I raised was because the table was very aggro pre so I wasn't expecting to see a flop for $2. I wanted the initiative and I'm not far from the button.

Flop($77): Qd8c3d

Checks to V who donks 30. Hero decides to flat.

This is where I think I made a mistake. I decided to flat because I was getting more than good enough odds to call, and I wanted someone else to come along to build a pot. However my raise range bluffs are going to be AKdd, AJdd, ATdd, JTdd, T9dd, and j9dd.
That makes A5dd my 7th best bluff, so I would be slightly overbluffing since I won't raise Q8s and 33 from the HJ. However, if I'm going to raise AA or KK here occasionally then it makes sense to raise.

Anyway, everyone else folds.

Turn($137): 7s
V snap bets 100
Considered shipping here but V felt super strong here and I didn't feel like I had much FE so I decided on a fold.

What do we think about a raise on the flop and is the Pre-flop raise fine given the game dynamic.
If we are going to raise I think we have to go bigger considering there are so many callers.

With deep stacks I think it’s a fine raise

As played I don’t really like raising here since this board connects with so much of the callers range.

And since we have two diamonds it’s unlikely anyone else has a decent flush draw


Like u said since we are getting odds I think a flat is okay and a fold is okay on the turn
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