10-8 off in the cutoff ($150 eff)

Limps around to me. I limp. 6 to the flop.

Flop 8h8s4h.

I cbet 10. 2 callers.

Turn 5c.

I bet 25. 2 callers.

River Ks.

I bet 25. Utg raises to 75. MP folds. I call the 50, villain shows 44.

I guess he's never bluffing this river really but people in 1/2 are bad so he could of even had a worse 8 considering the preflop action. 83-89 are in his range here for sure.

UTG is limping 83? Yeah, I don't think so, not even the worst fish at 1-2 is doing that. 8-10 off is probably a fold, even after all those limps and being on the button. River check raise should give you pause, after he check called two streets, but I guess you have to call it off as played...

Yes. I play at PBKC in Florida. Utg is calling a $15 open with 83 suited.

1) What is our thinking process and reasoning behind overlimping 10-8 off with less than 100 BB stacks effective? How are we gonna make money long term here?

2) What types of hands do you think villain takes this particular line with that we beat? I noticed youre saying that villain can have worse 8 here from 8-3 to 8-9, but i think youre incredibly optimistic in these range estimates. With the river check-raise especially in a multiway limped pot i think you are good here alot less often than you convince yourself.

Lol good table. I don't like the over limp with your stack size. Tighten up at those loose tables or at least raise.

Fold pre. Limping in with trash is how you get a miracle flop and then still get 'coolered'.

So think about that for a moment. If he can limp 83, then he can also limp A8. Counting combos on the river, you beat:

4 98
4 87
4 86
4 83
4 82

or at total of 20 combos. You lose to:

3 KK
3 44
3 55
4 A8
2 K8
4 Q8
4 J8
3 85
3 84

or a total of 29 combos.

You were putting in your money bad after the flop from a combo point of view.

In low limit poker, a primary mission is to overcome the rake. It's extremely hard to beat the rake. Many I know doubt 7% of all 1/2NL players avg $14 an hr. The rest are lose long-term.

If you get 25 hands an hr & avg rake is $4 & avg tip is $1, which is extremely conservative, that's $125 going off the table. Plus the $18 per hr you want to win, means everyone else has to lose a total of $143.00 per hour, in order for you to win $18 an hour. If someone else is also winning, that total is even higher.

That's why table selection is paramount in winning long-term.

There's $11 [after the rake] going into the Flop.
If you bet $10 & all 5 call, there's $71 - $6 more in rake/BBJ = $65.00

If they are calling $10, then they are calling $11.00.

$11 * 6 = $66 + $11 = $77 = $70. Now you have an extra $5 of their $$ in the pot. That $5 adds up over the year when you play ~100 hrs a month.

You got 2 callers. Do you think 1 might have folded if you made it $11?

$11 * 3 + $11 pre [after $1 rake] = $44.00. You're still between $40 & $50, so you got $2 more on your opponents' $$ in the pot without any additional rake.

I don't even tip the dealer from my stack. So of course I don't tip the waitress from it.

If I have a session where I go up, then down some, then up some then down some, etc. & find myself sitting on $425, but have won 10 pots that warranted tipping the dealer a $1, and tip from my stack, I'm sitting on $415.00

Now I get it all-in vs. a player who has me covered & win. Problem is, I only have $415 instead of $425 [when tipping from my stack] & NOW tipping the dealer has cost me $20 instead of of $10.00

Not really, because I don't win 100% of the time. However, if I have 60% equity when I GII, in reality, I lose $6 in potential long-term profit.

My session logger tracks tips & then at the end of session I can change buy-in amount to $300 [or $500 in 1/3] + total tips, in order to correct my net profit.

Well if these ranges are correct (iunno) he only needs to be getting like 1.5-1 to BE and hes getting way better odds on a call of 50 into what is like +200

with that said I hate the preflop decision, and hate the sizing on all streets

edit: I think its unreasonable to suggest hes playing KK this way at 100% freq