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1/2 86s - Did I Make A Rare Triple Barrel Bluff That Actually Makes Sense? 1/2 86s - Did I Make A Rare Triple Barrel Bluff That Actually Makes Sense?

01-15-2020 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by kimchipanda1
It is normal to bet half pot/half pot/full pot with two-pair (AJ only) or sets?

Honest question; I really don't know.
Good question. For me it's villain dependent because a lot of 1/2 and 1/3 players only think about bet sizing in static terms. A $200 bet is big regardless of the size of the pot. I get this a lot when the whole table limps and I make it $30 in the BB with QQ. "Why did you raise so much?"
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01-15-2020 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by OvertlySexual
The point is that he picked up more equity. If he hadn't it's more of a clearcut give up IMO.
RIO equity that you're never getting paid on has virtually no value.

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Originally Posted by OvertlySexual
What would you double barrel there? Also, I think you can triple barrel, if you value bet all 3 streets with your sets and A3.
Turns to double barrel are:

10 's
9 A/K/Q
3 8's
3 7's
3 6's

That's 28/47 turns or 60% of remaining deck. Offsuit 2x doesn't need to be bet here.
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01-15-2020 , 06:05 PM
I appreciate all of the feedback. I actually didn't even notice I picked up a double gutter on the turn, lol. So to everyone saying that this is spew - you presumably have no triple barrel bluffs on this board? Do you ever do any triple barrel bluffing period?
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01-15-2020 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
I appreciate all of the feedback. I actually didn't even notice I picked up a double gutter on the turn, lol. So to everyone saying that this is spew - you presumably have no triple barrel bluffs on this board? Do you ever do any triple barrel bluffing period?
KX and 67 are your triple barrel bluffs.

Your hand has no business being triple barreled on this board.
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01-15-2020 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
KX and 67 are your triple barrel bluffs.

Your hand has no business being triple barreled on this board.
How do you come up with that?
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01-15-2020 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
How do you come up with that?
because 76 has no SDV and can make the nut straight

Kxss because it's the best FD that doesn't run into TP OTR and any FD V has probably has a pair in it.


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overall, you're not deep enough for this. your turn sizing is bad. i'd want to be closer to a PSB, but if we do that, we have minimal stack depth left for a river jam.
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01-15-2020 , 07:37 PM
Preflop iso and postflop sizing are debatable but this can hardly be called spew. Well played enough.

Neither player’s range has much 76 or 6x. Our straight isn’t worthless.
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01-15-2020 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
because 76 has no SDV and can make the nut straight

Kxss because it's the best FD that doesn't run into TP OTR and any FD V has probably has a pair in it.


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overall, you're not deep enough for this. your turn sizing is bad. i'd want to be closer to a PSB, but if we do that, we have minimal stack depth left for a river jam.
Thank you
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01-15-2020 , 10:49 PM
So V2 folded OTR?
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01-15-2020 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by uberkuber
So V2 folded OTR?
Yeah, tank open folded QTs; I'm not being results oriented though, which is why I posted this, and it is super unpopular
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01-15-2020 , 11:16 PM
I play the hand the same way but $60+ OTT and $200+ OTR.

The stack depth doesn’t allow for this unfortunately.

Triple barreling with no SDV vs a semi pro is mandatory so that part is fine

Imo
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01-15-2020 , 11:18 PM
Were they spades?

I mean... You did get a better hands to fold.
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01-15-2020 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
Were they spades?

I mean... You did get a better hands to fold.
Yeah, spades, but if it's not a profitable play in the long run, then what's the point?
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01-15-2020 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
Yeah, spades, but if it's not a profitable play in the long run, then what's the point?
Exactly. I was joking.
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01-15-2020 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
Exactly. I was joking.
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01-16-2020 , 12:27 AM
A lot of nits itt.

Pre is mehh but I don’t hate it. I like the Triple barrel. Betting at least 60 on turn, we should be hammering them here with our range advantage. I would actually go full pot or bigger if we were deeper.


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01-16-2020 , 04:22 AM
He tankfolded Q high?

Also, you say it would be impossible to call with A5ss, A4ss? That's two pairs!
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01-16-2020 , 04:34 AM
Why is he tanking with Q high?
Turn is good for us, keep firing
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01-16-2020 , 06:50 AM
When he tank folds with Q high, I hope you showed the 8 high.

There are like less than 10 reasonable hands Q high beats and a bajillion he doesn’t. He’s wasting everyone’s time tanking.

“Semi pro” is code for “I wish I could play full time, but I suck, so I don’t win consistently”
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01-16-2020 , 07:42 AM
I think this is a very interesting hand and I am not sure if it's a spot I am overbluffing and not playing well.

Pre, I think raising is fine. If it's folded to us it's a raise. If an EP with a solid game raises, it's a call on the B if we don't expect 3bet; since it's the CO it might be a fold. When however we have a fish liimping with a wide range, why not raise and take the initiative?

Betwise. I think the board texture requires a smaller flop bet. On the turn when the board gets more dangerous, we can bet bigger with our range while setting up a river shove.

I don't think KsXs is a good 3 barrel candidate. It has showdown value and it blocks a lot of the flush draws we want to fold. If we decide to 3barrel flush draws, it should be the absolute lowest ones, like 6s7s, 7s8s etc.

I don't think 6d8d has a lot of RIO. It blocks 6d7d and in all likelihood Villain 6s7s as he probably 3bets it on the flop. So we should only be concerned with 6h7h and 6c7c. But there are so many more hands we either beat when we hit and we fold if we don't.

What do we bet for 3 streets for value? I think all sets and A3s. Perhaps we can go as low as AK? Villain may have A3s, but the river A is actually good as it blocks one A3s combo. So all in all we go for value with 12 set combos and 4 straight combos.

This means we need 8 bluffs. 67s and 68s have the least showdown value and the non-spade ones do not block any busted draws. KQs and QTs blocks a lot of Villain's Jx hands, but KQ has some showdown value.

Non-spade QTs or even Q9s might be better bluffs than 67, 68, not sure which ones have better blocker effects.
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01-16-2020 , 10:01 AM
Yeah, I totally screwed up the HH. The J is supposed to be a Q, and the 4 or 5 is supposed to be a spade. My bad; hence, when I was saying it puts a Q in a really bad spot, I obviously wasn't referring to Q high, I was referring to second pair.
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01-16-2020 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by buggits30
A lot of nits itt.
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